Who would beat him the only guy I can think of is Bobby Crosby from Oakland

Who would beat him the only guy I can think of is Bobby Crosby from Oakland

Lew ford is eligble i think.

Lew ford is eligble i think.

Actually Lew Ford is not. he spent too many days on the roster last season. So even though he didn't have the # of AB's to disqualify him from rookie status. Time on the bench cost him the award.

Actually Lew Ford is not.  he spent too many days on the roster last season. So even though he didn't have the # of AB's to disqualify him from rookie status.  Time on the bench cost him the award.

Oh ya victor martinez is not either. I remember discussing this earlier in the year.

Shingo

Jason Frasor is a good canidate last time i checked.

I think the candidates are

 

Takatsu

Crosby

Madritch

Cabrera - Baltimore.(he was really good before getting worn down and being pretty bad -- Made his debut against Chicago winning 1-0)

Greinke

Jason Frasor is a good canidate last time i checked.

saves are overrated.

I hate the fact that the forgein pros are allowed to be ROY canditates. I love Shingo, but he should not be eligible for this award

I hate the fact that the forgein pros are allowed to be ROY canditates.  I love Shingo, but he should not be eligible for this award

Why not? I still haven't heard a good argument for this. Should players who play professionally overseas not be able to win the NBA rookie of the year? Fact of the matter is its his first season in MLB and he should be eligible for the award.

saves are overrated.

One of is not the most over-rated stats in baseball. I mean anyone should be able to come in and save a 2 to 3 run lead. Saves should just be a 1 run lead maybe 2.

Why not?  I still haven't heard a good argument for this.  Should players who play professionally overseas not be able to win the NBA rookie of the year?  Fact of the matter is its his first season in MLB and he should be eligible for the award.

They are professional players. That is my arguement. You might as well make someone who gets traded from the AL to the NL eligible as well because in my eyes it is the samething.

They are professional players.  That is my arguement.  You might as well make someone who gets traded from the AL to the NL eligible as well because in my eyes it is the samething.

Minor leaguers are professional players as well.

Minor leaguers are professional players as well.

Well if you want to split hairs, they come from the Japanese Major league, and not the minor Jap league, then they should not be considered rookies.

To me, a rookie is a relatively young guy(usually from the age of 29 or so on down) in his first year in the league.

 

That is what a rookie should be anyways, IMO.

To me, a rookie is a relatively young guy(usually from the age of 29 or so on down) in his first year in the league. 

 

That is what a rookie should be anyways, IMO.

I would say even younger than that because 28-32 is suppose to be most players prime.

He has absolutely no chance

 

1- Look what they did to Matsui last year and quite frankly, Matsui's rookie year was a hell of a lot better then Shingo's.

 

2- I would choose Crosby over him anyway because he is a shortstop and a hitter who has really helped their team now that Tejada is gone. I would also probably choose Madrisich over him because it is probably the hardest thing to do, to come in as a rookie starting pitcher and be as succesful as he has.

Shingo won't win this, it will go to Crosby. I guarantee that.

I say he shouldn't be eligable. I said the same thing about Matsui last year, so I won't change my view.

Shingo won't win this, it will go to Crosby. I guarantee that.

oh no, a knucklesox guarantee

 

i dont like the japanese players being eligible either. anyways, crosby should win it

I say he shouldn't be eligable. I said the same thing about Matsui last year, so I won't change my view.

I agree he shouldn't be eligible but he is so he should be the ROY, imo.

I agree he shouldn't be eligible but he is so he should be the ROY, imo.

Agreed.

Let me see if I can understand this correctly.

 

You guys want a reliever(and I'm not even going to bother with the numbers), who was closer for half of a season for a 2nd place team that tanked in the second half to be ROY over Bobby Crosby, who is the starting SS for a playoff team(even if they don't make the playoffs...I will still view them as a playoff team), and is a big part in their success too. He does not have outstanding numbers(.250 21 62 .775), but I still think he deserves it more then Shingo.

It should go to Crosby, I think Shingo would even admit that.

Team success should not be part of the quaifications for ROY.

 

 

Maby for the MVP award, but thats a thread for another day.