Rowand44 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 The score has reported so much bulls*** over the last couple of days I wouldn't believe this. I still don't think Matt is going to sign here but not because the snore told me so. If Clement does indeed go to Anaheim or Boston, Kenny better be making a full out charge for Odalis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 I wanted Clement bad. With all the moves we are doing, we better get a SP this offseason. That is our main goal this offseason and we better get one. Odaliz perez would be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 You bring up a very good point. If their original report that we offered 3 years 30 mil is right then this report is wrong, and we would still be in the Clement running. If this report, that we are out of it is right, then the original report is wrong.  So somewhere along the line today, they were wrong. Good point, Harris.  You can't have it both ways. The Score is bulls***ting us on one of the two. If three years, thirty million was on the table from us, I can't see any way on God's green earth how Clement wouldn't accept; he and his wife seem to really love Chicago, he loved the fact that the Sox contacted him (or vice versa, whatever way it was), and ten million per year is an awesome deal for him.  The Score wants to keep up with MVP (Levine reporting the CLee deal, also reporting early this morning about RJ being traded later), so now they're probably at the point of taking *informed* guesses about things. And, I question whether they're even well informed at this point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 How many players would Kenny have brought in this off-season he is signs AJ, and Perez? I just don't see it happening. Â This is bad news. We will end up with the same rotation as in 2004, making this off-season an entire failure. Way to come crashing back down to earth Kenny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox05 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 they "learned" he will NOT sign with us, bosox leading contender Yes, this is honestly the best news of the off season next to not getting vizquel. Â Hopefully we will now get perez-i'd be much much more comfortable with him. Clement-ya never know game to gaem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 I wanted Clement, but the rumor for 3 years $30 million admittedly had me nervous. Makes two of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Makes two of us. More nervous than having Grilli/Diaz/Scho/rotating wheel as your 5th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 (edited) More nervous than having Grilli/Diaz/Scho/rotating wheel as your 5th? Actually yeah. Why? I don't know, but it did. Not that I love the roulette wheel for the 5th any better, but 10M seems quite steep for Clement. Edited December 17, 2004 by Queen Prawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Actually yeah. Why? I don't know, but it did. Not that I love the roulette wheel for the 5th any better, but 10M seems quite steep for Clement. your crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 your crazy "you're crazy" Â And it took you this long to figure out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babybearhater Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Ditto. I'll admit it, once I've had the taste of what it feels like to sign someone, someone of importance, I want more of that. I'm a greedy bastard.  Anyways, I'm thinking along your terms as well. Give me Pierz @ catcher, Polanco @ second, and sign Washburn and let him do it. If not, give it to Diaz. If he can't do it, give Grilli a try. If Grilli can't do it, give Cotts a try. If all those guys fail, well then -- damn. But I think Washburn or Millwood, if they came cheap, would at least be able to eat up innings for us and provide a sub-five ERA from the fifth spot. They can do that, right?  EDIT: The lineup would then be very stable, too:  LF-Podsednik 2B-Polanco DH-Thomas/Everett (when Thomas is hurt) 1B-Konerko RF-Dye CF-Rowand C-Pierz SS-Uribe 3B-Crede  It'd be a nice luxury to have Crede, who potentially could break out (and he'd be a much better player hitting down in the nine hole, would see a lot better pitches), as well as Uribe hitting eighth. That lineup is quietly fearsome, one through nine... this polanco nonsense has got to stop. And second, why would you ever put Roward, who is arguably on of our top three hitter, batting that low in the order. Dont think so. One of those pitchers would be great to eat up some innings, but as far as getting them cheap.....third starters are going for 10 million a year these days, and both of them could be considered that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Another piece of good news, ZONE in on AJ Kenny! I'll be fine with a rotation of:  Buehrle Garcia Contreras Garland Diaz/Grilli/Cotts/Adkins/Roulette Wheel I completely agree with this with a couple of comments. Everyone is looking at Pitching right now, prices are going up. Doesn't seem like anythign else is flying out the door. You cna solidify your catching position now, as well as, your 2b if you want. You can also sign El duque as your fifth for pretty cheap. I think we need to go into this type of direction. Focus on players that others are not focused on. Solidify your other holes. We have arguably the best bullpen in the division right now. That's to our advantage. Get your catcher that can hit or get a 2b that can hit. Then sign a number 5. We can still win the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 this polanco nonsense has got to stop. And second, why would you ever put Roward, who is arguably on of our top three hitter, batting that low in the order. Dont think so. One of those pitchers would be great to eat up some innings, but as far as getting them cheap.....third starters are going for 10 million a year these days, and both of them could be considered that. I suppose you could switch Rowand and Dye, but I like it where it is.  In this scenario:  Pods is your leadoff hitter, no questions asked. Polanco is a better contact hitter than Rowand (better OBP IIRC, too), thus, Polanco gets the nod hitting second. I like Thomas hitting third -- good balance of power and OBP, great OPS when healthy. I like Konerko fourth, at least at home. Best pure power hitter on the team outside of a healthy Frank Thomas. Dye and Rowand are exchangable. And, for this team, I love the bottom three in the order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 I suppose you could switch Rowand and Dye, but I like it where it is.  In this scenario:  Pods is your leadoff hitter, no questions asked. Polanco is a better contact hitter than Rowand (better OBP IIRC, too), thus, Polanco gets the nod hitting second. I like Thomas hitting third -- good balance of power and OBP, great OPS when healthy. I like Konerko fourth, at least at home. Best pure power hitter on the team outside of a healthy Frank Thomas. Dye and Rowand are exchangable. And, for this team, I love the bottom three in the order. Polanco's career obp is .339. Rowand's career obp is .342. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmookie Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 levine says sox still in clement sweepstakes. 3 years 8.5 mil per year. i say DO IT! After Bulls game on comcast sports net. Sox have concerns about Pierzynski. aj only threw out 16% of baserunners but theyre interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kogs35 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 didnt want to make a new thread but clements agent was just on comcast sportsnight and he said the white sox where high on his list. and bruuuuuuuuce levine said that clements will get 8 1/2 for 3 years. JOHNSON deal isnt done yet!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimpy2121 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 levine says sox still in clement sweepstakes. 3 years 8.5 mil per year. i say DO IT! i dont know what to believe anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 levine says sox still in clement sweepstakes. 3 years 8.5 mil per year. i say DO IT! This interview seems like it is not happening right now because he seemed to know very little about the johnson trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kogs35 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 i dont know what to believe anymore belive bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuce levine he also says a.j perzynski will talk with kw about problems from past to see if they have any problems with him, and he saids uribe deal good move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmookie Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 This interview seems like it is not happening right now because he seemed to know very little about the johnson trade.u might b right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indysox Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 I don't even know what rumors to believe anymore. Is Clement still saying he's going to decide where to sign tomorrow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 By the way before bruce was clements agent and said sox are still on the list so theres the postive sox fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 By the way before bruce was clements agent and said sox are still on the list so theres the postive sox fans Man oh man, if Clement signs with the Sox or atleast is in the final running tomorrow the Score looks absolutely horrible this off-season... Â looking at this as a Sox fan Clements agents may be saying this to keep Angels and Red Sox offers up or get another year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevHead0881 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 By the way before bruce was clements agent and said sox are still on the list so theres the postive sox fans For what its worth, his agent also said that we may know Clement's choice within hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indysox Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 These people really don't want me to go to bed tonight between this and the RJ trade possibly falling apart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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