December 18, 200421 yr Jim or Flash I forget who, made a reference to it, here is the buzz: 4 The Randy Johnson trade is apparently expanding from three to four teams, the Sporting News has learned. The identity of the fourth team is not known, but the Dodgers' return, which seems unusually light, could be enhanced by the additional club. The initial three-way deal, first reported by the Sporting News, featured Johnson, Dodgers right fielder Shawn Green and Yankees right-hander Javier Vazquez. Under the new deal, the fourth team could end up with Vazquez. All I could think of here is White Sox, Angels, Marlins as the 4th team. No way George is going to let Boston in this deal. The plot thickens....
December 18, 200421 yr wait, I thought the deal was confirmed; I'm so confused!!! I believe Green turned down the trade.
December 18, 200421 yr Author wait, I thought the deal was confirmed; I'm so confused!!! The deal was agreed to in principal by the teams. There is/was money to be worked out in terms of if the Yanks would give LA and Arizona money. Green has to waive has no trade clause, and he apparently wants a contract extension from Arizona to do this. So nothing by any means is done or official.
December 18, 200421 yr The deal was setup figuring that Beltre would be re-signed by the Dodgers. Let's give LA Konerko, but we can afford to give up Garland now that this market is becoming more bare everyday.
December 18, 200421 yr The Sox need to sign Clement, then they can trade Garland ect and get Vasquez or RJ. If they can get Clement at a hometown discount {IF} then do it. If you play with Clement, he goes to Boston or Angels. The Sox are then desperate and get screwed even worse in the trade. Or the trade never happens. If the payroll goes to far over and the fans don't show, then fire sale.
December 18, 200421 yr Rosenthal is extremely unreliable, as are many other so-called sources. IMHO, the best sources in baseball are Jayson Stark and Tim Kurkjan. Besides information coming from those names, I pretty much dismiss everything else until it is proven otherwise.
December 18, 200421 yr KW just needs to get the hell away from this train wreck of a trade and get Clement signed.
December 18, 200421 yr Hows this for a hypothetical, Konerko goes to LA... Sox get Vazquez + cash -- Sox have even more money, and the rotation looks like this. Buehrle Garcia Vazquez Contreras Garland Gload/Phelps platoon at first. Phelps can play C in an emergency, that's the 3 catchers that ozzie likes. Now there's added money for a MIF bat Polanco or Cabrera are excelent possibilities with the money left over. Pierz could also probably be fit into this plan.
December 18, 200421 yr Author Rumor according to an LA radio station (perhaps Jason or one of our other Cali posters, can listen and see what's up) is that the Cardinals might be the 4th team. Which does make sense, they have money freed up from not getting Edgar back.
December 18, 200421 yr Remind me where Phelps came from again? He was traded to Cleveland from Toronto, forcing them to make a tough decision with Escobar. They DFA'd him earlier this week. The Drays are trying to work out a trade for him... So we could get two players out of that odd set of moves. He's nothing more than a platoon player at this point, but he's young and cheap, and has a .900OPS vs. LHP. I remember we were also in a bidding war for some AAA 1B -- My guess is that he's probably a righty with good platoon splits too.
December 18, 200421 yr Like I said no matter what we need to keep Garland. I'm afraid KW has a serious hardon for Jason "The Puke :puke" Grilli. If we trade Garland thats it. There is no other 5th starter. Jason Grilli=no division title just himself. He's that bad. I want them to get a starter and not give up anything. We can't f***ing afford to. Like I said before the longer we go without signing a starter with that C Lee money the worse this trade looks. If we start the season with out one it will be offically worse then the Ritchie and Botch deals. Also quit all these fairy tales of JR signing Clement, Vazquez, a C, and in infielder. We will be lucky if he doesn't take that 6 mil he saved in the C Lee deal and buy himself an ivory back scratcher with it. I'm sorry but the longer this goes on the sicker I am with this whole situation.
December 18, 200421 yr Also quit all these fairy tales of JR signing Clement, Vazquez, a C, and in infielder. We will be lucky if he doesn't take that 6 mil he saved in the C Lee deal and buy himself an ivory back scratcher with it. I'm sorry but the longer this goes on the sicker I am with this whole situation. Also quit your chicken little posts with the :puke smiley, 4th place finish predictions, OMGWTFLOL Randy Johnson is OLD rants, JR is a cheap bastard laments, and anything Eric Milton(wait I think that was butter) I'm sorry, longer Jeckle is sick of the situation the more I look forward to doing this. All in good fun Jeckle
December 18, 200421 yr i have this hunch that everyone but the yanks gets screwed in this deal.....btw what makes vazquez so good anyway? his stats weren't any better than garland's
December 18, 200421 yr i have this hunch that everyone but the yanks gets screwed in this deal.....btw what makes vazquez so good anyway? his stats weren't any better than garland's One year does not a pitcher make master Jake.
December 18, 200421 yr Hows this for a hypothetical, Konerko goes to LA... Sox get Vazquez + cash -- Sox have even more money, and the rotation looks like this. Buehrle Garcia Vazquez Contreras Garland Gload/Phelps platoon at first. Phelps can play C in an emergency, that's the 3 catchers that ozzie likes. Now there's added money for a MIF bat Polanco or Cabrera are excelent possibilities with the money left over. Pierz could also probably be fit into this plan. I'd be fine with that and I heard today quite a few DOdgers fans call in saying they would want Konerko. Then again quite a few were calling in saying with all this money they should try and trade for Ordonez, lol. It would make sense too me, although I'd like to see Gibbons or someone with some power potential brought in to replace Konerko and battle with Gload. ANd I'd definately be all over adding pyrz afterwords.
December 18, 200421 yr we better be the fourth team. after this clement bulls***, we damn well better get vazquez.
December 18, 200421 yr we better be the fourth team. after this clement bulls***, we damn well better get vazquez. If getting Vazquez hinges on trading Konerko, count me in as wanting another year of the Roulette Wheel.
December 18, 200421 yr I'd be fine with that and I heard today quite a few DOdgers fans call in saying they would want Konerko. Then again quite a few were calling in saying with all this money they should try and trade for Ordonez, lol. It would make sense too me, although I'd like to see Gibbons or someone with some power potential brought in to replace Konerko and battle with Gload. ANd I'd definately be all over adding pyrz afterwords. Gibbons will not be coming here now that the piece of s*** timo is back.
December 18, 200421 yr If getting Vazquez hinges on trading Konerko, count me in as wanting another year of the Roulette Wheel. A platoon of Phelps/Gload would cost about $7.5M less than Konerko, and would produce at very close to the same level. Phelps vs. LHP last 3 years is .309/.373/.535 Gload is about .300/.355/.465 on a full season vs. RHP. Konerko's 3year splits aren't as impressive vs. LHP -- .299/.360/.540 vs RHP -- .265/.338/.461 We might lose 5-10 HR's, but we'd be more of a "grinders" oriented team, with a higher BA from our 1B spot. $6-7M cheaper
December 18, 200421 yr A platoon of Phelps/Gload would cost about $7.5M less than Konerko, and would produce at very close to the same level. Phelps vs. LHP last 3 years is .309/.373/.535 Gload is about .300/.355/.465 on a full season vs. RHP. Konerko's 3year splits aren't as impressive vs. LHP -- .299/.360/.540 vs RHP -- .265/.338/.461 We might lose 5-10 HR's, but we'd be more of a "grinders" oriented team, with a higher BA from our 1B spot. $6-7M cheaper We already saved money on Carlos, they don't need to be off the hook for any more money saved.
December 18, 200421 yr i would be fine with paulie to the dodgers for javy v. because paulie is due 8.5... javy v. makes the same if im not mistaken... that means we would still have the 6 from the lee trade to spend on some offence.... penski (the SF catcher guy)??? ciaro to help willie vs LHP??? etc.... i like this move a lot and i think it opens up a lot of options for us knowing we would have the rotation settled from 2005 - 2007 cool
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