I was checking out the SF board on ESPN and they are saying for the Sox to get Ray Ray they would want Rowand in any deal...Me thinks they need to get off that crack pipe....

I was checking out the SF board on ESPN and they are saying for the Sox to get Ray Ray they would want Rowand in any deal...Me thinks they need to get off that crack pipe....

 

 

That ain't happenin'.

Soriano all the way. He's from the DR & he speak Japanese. Perfect addition for the clubhouse.

I was checking out the SF board on ESPN and they are saying for the Sox to get Ray Ray they would want Rowand in any deal...Me thinks they need to get off that crack pipe....

lol...i needed that laugh...amazing thought by SF posters.....

I want Durham back (plus $5M towards his salary). Take a look:

 

Ray vs Westbrook, Sabathia : 864, 838

Ray vs Moroth, Johnson : 1000, 681

Ray vs Santana, Radke : 1300, 852

 

These are the 6 guys in the ALC that own winning records against us the past 3 yrs. Ray practically owns Radke & that my friends can mean the difference between winning & losing. There is no other guy I see out there that can come in with a resume that good against the guys that shut us down right now.

More reasons to vote for Ray: 02-04 team vs:

vs. CLE .300 .380 .450 .830

vs. DET .395 .448 .663 1.111

vs. KAN .266 .365 .406 .771

vs. MIN .391 .459 .594 1.053

 

He owns MIN.

WTF is with you and your obscure stats.

How guys far against pitchers they rarely see, doesn't mean s***.

 

Also, who gives a f*** how Ray Ray fared against MIN, it's a different MIN team now.

More reasons to vote for Ray: 02-04 team vs:

vs. CLE .300 .380 .450 .830

vs. DET .395 .448 .663 1.111

vs. KAN .266 .365 .406 .771

vs. MIN .391 .459 .594 1.053

 

He owns MIN.

You may as well label those '02 splits. The vast majority of those at-bats are from '02, just a handful from '03, and absolutely none from '04. That being said, acquiring Ray based on those splits alone would be idiotic. The pitching staffs of all those teams have changed in the past three years.

WTF is with you and your obscure stats.

How guys far against pitchers they rarely see, doesn't mean s***.

 

Also, who gives a f*** how Ray Ray fared against MIN, it's a different MIN team now.

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There is nothing different about Radke, Santana, Silva, Lohse, & Mays. If you don't have players who can hit against them you can't win. Ray can.

Much better than Rollins, Polanco, Soriano, Or Castillo can expect to.

 

You need to face reality. For the past 3 yrs we've had guys who can't hit the top pitching in the ALC. You can't expect to win a division with that.

You may as well label those '02 splits.  The vast majority of those at-bats are from '02, just a handful from '03, and absolutely none from '04.  That being said, acquiring Ray based on those splits alone would be idiotic.  The pitching staffs of all those teams have changed in the past three years.

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Go to ESPN & look up pitcher vs batter. Those teams still have Sabathia, Westbrook, Moroth, Johnson, Santana, & Radke as their front men. Ignoring the facts is idiotic.

Go to ESPN & look up pitcher vs batter. Those teams still have Sabathia, Westbrook, Moroth, Johnson, Santana, & Radke as their front men.  Ignoring the facts is idiotic.

 

Why even present the stats of say rollins or castillo when they have had very limited at-bats against the american league central? Trying to prove that they do not fit the sox over a very small sample size? Makes no sense to me.

Paralysis by analysis is what this is beginning to look like with all these friggin stats....

Go to ESPN & look up pitcher vs batter. Those teams still have Sabathia, Westbrook, Moroth, Johnson, Santana, & Radke as their front men.  Ignoring the facts is idiotic.

Look at the difference at those pitchers' '02 stats and '04 stats.

Why even present the stats of say rollins or castillo when they have had very limited at-bats against the american league central? Trying to prove that they do not fit the sox over a very small sample size? Makes no sense to me.

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On the one hand you have the unknown & the other hand you have proven success or failure. You are going to put more stock in proven success than the unknown.

 

No matter how you look at Ray's stats there is a bigger upside in his at bat for the CWS than that of Polanco, Castillo, Rollins, or Byrnes. You can do the same thing for the NL.

Look at how well each of them did against the best pitchers in the NL. Ray still comes out ahead.

 

Now D the other 3 guys might be better & a guy with great range to his L & R might be worth sacrificing some power at the plate. But let's not forget the loss of Maggs & Lee in the 3-6 spot. It's foolish to believe that the Rowand-Thomas-Koney-Dye is going to generate the same runs as Thomas-Maggs-Koney-Lee.

 

Ray would help make up for that loss of power.

Things have gotten awful quiet. My guess is the Sox are close to adding another infielder. I bet it happens by Wednesday. My gut tells me it will be Iguchi, but it may just be Cora.

Things have gotten awful quiet. My guess is the Sox are close to adding another infielder.  I bet it happens by Wednesday. My gut tells me it will be Iguchi, but it may just be Cora.

Iguchi excites me, but KW and his agent are so far apart in negotiations, so I'm not optimistic.

Iguchi excites me, but KW and his agent are so far apart in negotiations, so I'm not optimistic.

I think its all negotiating tactics by both sides. Iguchi will be playing with the Sox or he'll be playing in Japan.

Alex Cora...  it is between him and Iguchi and I think KW will not fork over the dough to get Iguchi.  Plus his brother is our third base coach.

 

What is your and other people's fascination with Alex Cora? Willie Harris is just as capable, if not more. Look at the numbers, Alex Cora sucks.

BA, OBP, SLG, OPS for 2004

 

Eric Byrnes 23 #5

April .327 .386 .500 .886 - #1 +39

May .281 .373 .438 .810 - #2 +92

June .248 .291 .446 .736 - #8 +53

July .294 .364 .647 1.011 - #1 +70

Aug .311 .344 .437 .781 - #6 +33

Sep .267 .347 .419 .767 - #5 +76

 

Jimmy Rollins 26 #4

April .183 .263 .268 .530 - #8 +80

May .280 .325 .364 .689 - #6 +45

June .320 .376 .492 .868 - #3 +56

July .283 .333 .392 .725 - #5 +50

Aug .298 .389 .553 .942 - #1 +91

Sep .310 .352 .504 .857 - #3 +42

 

Polanco 30 #6

April .241 .337 .337 .674 - #4 +96

May .172 .200 .241 .441 - #8 +28

June .300 .329 .438 .767 - #6 +29

July .275 .350 .308 .657 - #8 +75

Aug .327 .355 .584 .939 - #2 +28

Sep .342 .368 .505 .872 - #2 +36

 

Ray Durham 23 #3

April .284 .338 .446 .783 - #3 +54

May .261 .320 .304 .624 - #7 +59

June .339 .431 .559 .990 - #1 +92

July .221 .297 .423 .720 - #6 +76

Aug .234 .333 .477 .810 - #5 +99

Sep .374 .467 .571 1.039 - #1 +93

 

Luis Castillo 36 #2

April .261 .307 .304 .611 - #7 +46

May .290 .383 .366 .749 - #4 +93

June .296 .350 .398 .749 - #7 +54

July .341 .423 .390 .813 - #4 +82

Aug .238 .366 .274 .640 - #8 +128

Sept .323 .417 .344 .761 - #6 +94

 

Alex Cora 32 #1

April .213 .284 .344 .628 - #6 +71

May .369 .468 .538 1.006 - #1 +99

June .340 .450 .400 .850 - #4 +110

July .256 .340 .354 .694 - #7 +84

Aug .233 .349 .342 .691 - #7 +116

Sep .208 .310 .333 .643 - #7 +102

 

Barry Larkin 22 #7

April .273 .325 .338 .663 - #5 +52

May .308 .345 .462 .807 - #3 +37

June .341 .429 .488 .916 - #2 +88

July .296 .342 .479 .821 - #2 +46

Aug .333 .412 .400 .812 - #4 +79

Sep .000 .227 .000 .227 - #8 +227

 

Alfonso Soriano 22 #8

April .341 .381 .432 .813 - #2 +40

May .235 .279 .426 .705 - #5 +44

June .325 .358 .487 .845 - #5 +33

July .239 .292 .523 .815 - #3 +53

Aug .286 .333 .518 .851 - #3 +47

Sep .254 .301 .522 .824 -#4 +47

 

There are two rankings here. OPS & OBP-BA.

OBP-BA is a measure of how well a guy can get on base w/out a hit.

 

Ranking OPS, OBP-BA:

Ray Durham 23 #3 , Eric Byrnes 23 #5 , Jimmy Rollins 26 #4

- Ray is the best, but Eric & Jimmy are very close.

Alex Cora 32 #1, Luis Castillo 36 #2, Polanco 30 #6

- Alex is the least likely to hurt you if he's in a hitting slump.

Barry Larkin 22 #7, Alfonso Soriano 22 #8

- Both of these guys for the most part need a hit to get on.

 

Ignoring price I would choose Ray first, Eric second, & Jimmy third.

If I couldn't get any of them then I would chose Alex forth, Castillo fifth, & Polanco sixth. If none of them, Soriano 7th & Larkin last.

 

In terms of price:

Soriano 7.4M, Ray 7.2M, Castillo 4.7M, Polanco 4M, Jimmy 2.5M, Cora 1.3M , Larkin 700K, Eric 328K

 

Factoring that in, then the pecking order is:

Eric first, Jimmy second, Cora third, Durham forth, Castillo fifth, Larkin sixth, Polanco seventh, & Soriano last.

 

Lastly it all depends on what we have to give up. We should give up the least to get Soriano & give up the most to get Eric. That's how I read it.

What is your and other people's fascination with Alex Cora? Willie Harris is just as capable, if not more. Look at the numbers, Alex Cora sucks.

Stats aren't everything.

Stats aren't everything.

 

 

The word "overkill" seems to come to mind.

Harris 04:

April .254 .299 .324 .623 +45

May .384 .439 .438 .877 +55

June .182 .316 .197 .513 +134

July .188 .333 .229 .563 +145

Aug .288 .347 .379 .726 +59

Sep .218 .291 .295 .586 +73

 

Harris shows great patience when he's not hitting & poor patience when

he is. He is by far the worst option of the 9 choices for the CWS at 2B.

Cora is a great improvement over Harris. Look at his numbers above.

Cora shows patience whether he's hitting or not.

The word "overkill" seems to come to mind.

Ya, sorry about that, just making my point but I guess I've done that enough already :banghead

Ya, sorry about that, just making my point but I guess I've done that enough already :banghead

 

What I was saying is that I'm OD-ing on stats.

What I was saying is that I'm OD-ing on stats.

Ah, ok, I'm an idiot, don't mind me