I say Garland is the number 5, and Contreras is #4 but I would start Contreras on the 3rd game of the season because of how well he pitched against the Indians last season, and Orlando "Big Game pitcher" Hernandez should start the first game of the Twins series.

 

I am going to say Garland as well... less pressure per say on the 5th starter... will benefit Garland.

I say Garland is the number 5, and Contreras is #4 but I would start Contreras on the 3rd game of the season because of how well he pitched against the Indians last season, and Orlando "Big Game pitcher" Hernandez should start the first game of the Twins series.

 

 

Good post, agree with all of it.

 

I don't really care who our starters are past three, four, and five. I don't really mean it like that, but Buehrle-Garcia are our obvious one and two's, but after that, it's really a tossup, IMHO. This team should try to protect El Duque, meaning, he shouldn't be an innings eater. We have a good enough bullpen to where, if El Duque can give us five-six strong innings, we'll be in good shape.

 

As for Contreras, we all know how good he can be when he's on. If he finally pitches like he can for a whole season, he's going to be the best number three/four starter in the league, he'll give us a lot of innings, and he'll be really, really dominant. That's if he pitches to his potential.

I consider the 5th starter to be Jon but this year it really doesn't matter. Ozzie at soxfest said that he doesn't plan on skipping starts this year so it really doesn't matter who the number 5 guys is imo, but if I was asked who the sox 5th starter is, I'd say Jon.

It's definitely Jon, although he'll be pushed up if there's an injury to El Duque or if Contreras goes back to his early Yankee form.

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I consider the 5th starter to be Jon but this year it really doesn't matter. Ozzie at soxfest said that he doesn't plan on skipping starts this year so it really doesn't matter who the number 5 guys is imo, but if I was asked who the sox 5th starter is, I'd say Jon.

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That's something people should take into consideration for this upcoming season. In the previous seasons, the Sox would try to avoid the fifth starter days. I forgot where I read it (either the Cubune or Whitesox.com,) but Guillen said he is so confident in his bullpen, Buehrle and Garcia will pitch under 200 innings this year.

That's something people should take into consideration for this upcoming season.  In the previous seasons, the Sox would try to avoid the fifth starter days.  I forgot where I read it (either the Cubune or Whitesox.com,) but Guillen said he is so confident in his bullpen, Buehrle and Garcia will pitch under 200 innings this year. 

 

Well, that is not a good sign.

Well, that is not a good sign.

I wonder who voted for Contreras

I wonder who voted for Contreras

so me and qwerty were the only Contreras voters?

so me and qwerty were the only Contreras voters?

 

WoOt, one more.

WoOt, one more.

 

qwerty + man of steel =

 

 

.....uhhhhhh...... i meant the head banging one.... really

I don't consider him the 5th starter but I think it should be El Duque. He needs 5th starter rest periods or he will get hurt.

qwerty + man of steel =

.....uhhhhhh...... i meant the head banging one.... really 

 

 

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I don't consider him the 5th starter but I think it should be El Duque.  He needs 5th starter rest periods or he will get hurt.

This is the real confusion -- I say Jose is the 5th starter b/c he's the least reliable. As of now, he's the last one I'd start in the playoffs. But if you mean who should get the most rest, I'd say Orlando, at least initially. I don't think there's anything contradictory in saying, El Duque is our 3rd (best) starter, but we should skip him instead of our 4th or 5th starter, when possible.

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This is the real confusion -- I say Jose is the 5th starter b/c he's the least reliable.  As of now, he's the last one I'd start in the playoffs.  But if you mean who should get the most rest, I'd say Orlando, at least initially.  I don't think there's anything contradictory in saying, El Duque is our 3rd (best) starter, but we should skip him instead of our 4th or 5th starter, when possible.

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How is Garland more reliable than Contreras?

 

I don't think we should skip the fifth starter days now that we (finally) have a complete rotation. Let Mark, Freddy, Jose, and Jon get and extra day of rest by having Hernandez go 6 innings.

How is Garland more reliable than Contreras?

 

I don't think we should skip the fifth starter days now that we (finally) have a complete rotation.  Let Mark, Freddy, Jose, and Jon get and extra day of rest by having Hernandez go 6 innings.

Well, Garland was better than Contreras last year, for one thing. As good as Jose's stuff can look, he has imploded so many times that I think you have to look at him as your worst starter.

 

As for rest, as long as El Duque stays healthy, I don't care how they use him. I just hope they're careful to ensure that.

There should be an "it doesn't matter" option to this poll. That would be my vote.

If we are talking about which Sox starter will pitch the 5th game of the season, I am guessing El Dugue. I am also drinking some Garland Flavor-Aid and believing he's #3 by season end.

 

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I am also drinking some Garland Flavor-Aid and believing he's #3 by season end.

 

Make Girland the #5 guy, without the pressure he turns around and wins 18.

My goodness...I thought "Fifth Starter" threads were a thing of the past; for a moment there, I was kind of spooked.

 

The obvious choice is Garland. He'll win 12 games and can compete on any given day; most teams in baseball would kill to have a guy like Garland at #5.

 

Mr. California Cool in the five slot.

 

EDIT: Hey, MoS, what did Knuckle do to get banned? Come to think of it, it has been Knuckle-free lately hasn't it. Banning a 4 year old...shame on you.

Make Girland the #5 guy, without the pressure he turns around and wins 18.

 

I don't think there is any more or any less pressure on Garland from #3, #4, or #5. He walks out of the dugout and takes the mound, he's got to pitch.

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I don't think there is any more or any less pressure on Garland from #3, #4, or #5. He walks out of the dugout and takes the mound, he's got to pitch.

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I can seeGarland saying at a press conference after a horrible outing "Well if you compare it to the fifth starters of the past, it's not that bad of an outing. Plus if Podsednik had a 67 inch vertical, he could have caught that grand slam in the 3rd inning."

 

Garland should stay in the fifth starter's spot all season long.

I can seeGarland saying at a press conference after a horrible outing "Well if you compare it to the fifth starters of the past, it's not that bad of an outing.  Plus if Podsednik had a 67 inch vertical, he could have caught that grand slam in the 3rd inning."

 

Garland should stay in the fifth starter's spot all season long.

 

If that means that off days cause someone to miss a start, I don't agree with that on 1/19/05. That could change, but I would rest our #3 or #4 before Garland. Which I guess by definition makes Garland a 3-4