Flash Tizzle Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 12:06 AM) $37 mill per year isn't bad now, is it? Hell no. While it's unlikely Magglio would reinjure himself during the years he was guaranteed money, and regain his health the three needed to prolong the contract, just because the possibility exists its insane Detroit approved this. Ordonez could reinjure himself following 05'; requiring additional knee surgery, just as he can gradually wear down his knee following 08/09. Of course, Magglio could continue his career unscaved and prove critics wrong. I just don't forsee Magglio patrolling spacious Comerica Park without reaggrivating his knee. Ultimately, this was the wrong person to gamble this money on. Good example of spending money just because it's there. Beltran and Beltre would have been better investments for the Tigers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Feb 5, 2005 -> 10:44 PM) Just what I was thinking... The Tiggies have one void in this contract. One. So, if Magglio makes it through this year, everything else becomes guaranteed (or at least up until the option years?)??? It could get real ugly if the two sides start pointing fingers at each other mid-season, meaning -- Maggs thinks he's OK to go on the knee, the Tigers want him on the DL -- it might get real, real messy... That's why there are team Doctors. I am certain there is some mechanism in the contract to protect both parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 12:24 AM) Hell no. While it's unlikely Magglio would reinjure himself during the years he was guaranteed money, and regain his health the three needed to prolong the contract, just because the possibility exists its insane Detroit approved this. Ordonez could reinjure himself following 05'; requiring additional knee surgery, just as he can gradually wear down his knee following 08/09. Of course, Magglio could continue his career unscaved and prove critics wrong. I just don't forsee Magglio patrolling spacious Comerica Park without reaggrivating his knee. Ultimately, this was the wrong person to gamble this money on. Good example of spending money just because it's there. Beltran and Beltre would have been better investments for the Tigers. I'm sure the Tigers are quietly hoping that Maggs does injure himself. I don't think we are the only ones who notice how ugly this contract could get. Mike Illitch is quietly hoping Maggs messes up his knee and they can put him on the DL. Getting stuck with that ugly of a contract would be crippling to a team like that...like getting stuck with Easley's and Higginson's contracts were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 Under the complicated deal, Detroit would have the right to void the contract after the 2005 season if Ordonez has a reoccurrence of the left knee injury that hampered his production with the Chicago White Sox for most of last year and the reoccurrence lands him on the disabled list for 25 days or more. I wonder if Detroit could terminate Magglio's contract if he landed on the disabled list (for more than 25 days) due to another injury besides his knee. As exampled with Mark Prior last season, one persistent injury could lead itself into another. This interests me because exact language is important when negotiating contracts. If Ordonez contract states 'Detroit voids contract if time on DL exceeds 25 due to injured left knee,' I'd have to believe it has no relation to any other possible injury (unless specifically stated). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSF Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Feb 5, 2005 -> 09:07 PM) not anymore, I'm pretty sure Boras got the left one in the I-Rod deal and the right one in the Maggs contract ROTFLMFAO!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 QUOTE(Mr. Showtime @ Feb 5, 2005 -> 06:28 PM) I gotta see if Boras will come represent me when I talk to my boss for a raise... Seriously, this shows me enough. If anyone ever doubted it, there is no doubt anymore, Boras is the best freaking agent in all of sports. He could represent me anytime. How the hell did he get Maggs 15 mill a year, I'll never now, but good god he did the job. Maggs should be excited as hell. Obviously he should of still taken the Sox deal (cause they are a better team then the Tigers) but this is definately a quality backup plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvjeremylv Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 LMFAO. Nuff said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 Wow, even for a healthy Mags that is a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 01:42 AM) Seriously, this shows me enough. If anyone ever doubted it, there is no doubt anymore, Boras is the best freaking agent in all of sports. He could represent me anytime. How the hell did he get Maggs 15 mill a year, I'll never now, but good god he did the job. Maggs should be excited as hell. Obviously he should of still taken the Sox deal (cause they are a better team then the Tigers) but this is definately a quality backup plan. I think the Tigers are a nice franchise who have won two World Series in my lifetime. I am honestly surprised at this contract. I really think he could have gotten $100 mil if he hadn't been injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmatt Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 What % of Detroit's payroll is going to Maggs and I-Rod? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 A pox on Sox, Cubs for sending Ordonez away By Greg Couch Chicago Sun Times What a disgusting article...Totally biased, took a page out of Mariotti's book for this one. If Couch is trying to get his name out there by writing controversial garbage well he did a good job To write this article AFTER Magglio recieved 75 Million dollars is a joke and makes me wonder why I'm not working as a columnist for a major newspaper. The White Sox and Cubs were right in letting Maggs walk for money like that...Granted, the cubs signed Jeromy Burnitz :finger But still...what a joke this one is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmatt Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 I totally disagree with this article. Sure he was great but he was injured and we would have to pay him that much $$$$. He's not worth it. We were right to not resign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWs OK for Me Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 That might have been one of the worst articles I have ever read. They never wanted to pay him in the first place and could have signed him long ago. Someone -- wink, wink -- is making him out to be greedy. Yes, the Sox offered him a big deal, but, he said, some of the money was deferred for as long as 20 years. Pay now and I'll sign now, he told them We offered him 5 million less than what hes making now. So Couch simply talks to Magglio and assumes he isn't "speaking the company line" by saying that he wanted to stay in town. . . Seems pretty bad reporting to go to only one side of the story. Well this article has alreaedy gotten enough badmouthing from me, its not even worth the words I used to berate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdue129 Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 ESPN radio here in Detroit was hilarious this morning. One of their local guys was saying the Tigers signed Maggs simply to cool the Detroit media, who was blasting them for not doing much this off season. 2 out of 3 callers thought the deal was ridiculous, while a few think he's going to put up .300/30/120 numbers. I hope Maggs is ready for the s*** he's going to get from the fans if he doesn't perform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 Just so I can throw it out there... Juan Gonzalez, anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 5, 2005 -> 08:56 PM) Probably as fast as Sox fans concluded he was a no talent greedy jerk. "no talent"... of all the things I have heard that isn't one I recall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvjeremylv Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 07:16 AM) "no talent"... of all the things I have heard that isn't one I recall. Yeah..the guy's got talent. He's just not a guy that's going to carry a team and come up with huge hits. And $15M a year for him? That's a joke, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 04:07 PM) Just so I can throw it out there... Juan Gonzalez, anyone? I'm thinking Albert Belle might be a little more accurate by the time this contract is said and done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 11:34 AM) I'm thinking Albert Belle might be a little more accurate by the time this contract is said and done. The team didn't have an injury out with Belle. Weren't we still paying him last season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 11:36 AM) The team didn't have an injury out with Belle. Weren't we still paying him last season? No, and haven't paid him since 1998. Baltimore was paying 40%, insurance covered the rest. '03 was the last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 11:41 AM) No, and haven't paid him since 1998. Baltimore was paying 40%, insurance covered the rest. '03 was the last year. Thanks Steff, even funnier Baltimore paying him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 12:00 PM) Thanks Steff, even funnier Baltimore paying him. Whyis it funny..? IMO, the 2 are completely different. Albert was upfront about his condition, and Baltimore knew there was a risk - thus insuring it more than the norm. There was no way knowing his hip would go as fast as it did, but at least he didn't bulls*** the O's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 12:24 PM) Whyis it funny..? IMO, the 2 are completely different. Albert was upfront about his condition, and Baltimore knew there was a risk - thus insuring it more than the norm. There was no way knowing his hip would go as fast as it did, but at least he didn't bulls*** the O's. I was thinking Cleveland for some reason. I was thinking he was two teams down the road and they were still paying. I agree the two are completely different. The Tigers know exactly what they are getting and have protected themselves beyond insurance. Maggs won't be getting paid if his career ends suddenly from that knee. Belle, as it turned out, had a much better deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 11:34 AM) I'm thinking Albert Belle might be a little more accurate by the time this contract is said and done. The contract reminds me of Belle a little more, but as far as production is concerned, I think Detroit will be lucky to get Juan Gonzalez's numbers from 2000 out of Maggs. And I was wondering...is it possible for him to get all $105 mill for playing 2 seasons? Say this year, he tears his right ACL, having nothing to do with his left. He is, for some reason, he is hurt the next 2, shows up healthy for the last two of the 5, has the options vest, and then is out for the next 2. Would that work? However this works out, Detroit got themselves into a huge mess with this contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 If I am understanding it right, the last two years are team options. I think the max they are stuck with is $75 mil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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