I could not believe how many folks were saying before the game that Freddie was going to get his ass kicked in Coors if he threw his off speed stuff.

 

Well, as it turns out, he threw a 2 hitter despite throwing tons of off speed stuff.

 

Just a reminder of how little fans really know

 

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"I threw a lot of sinkers and changeups, and that worked," said Garcia, who struck out a season-high 10 and didn't allow a walk. "I didn't think about what happened in the past."

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines

Every pointed towards him getting his ass kicked. Everything. Glad he proved probally every sox fan around wrong.

I love the thread title. I say things to this effect quite often in here. Like, when someone thinks they would be a great GM.

I could not believe how many people kept saying his off speed stuff would simply not work in the lite air and he would get his brains beaten in

 

A lot of those people, ironically, also said Shingo would get hammered too with his off speed stuff.

 

Oh the irony as Shingo pitched one scoreless inning too

I could not believe how many people kept saying his off speed stuff would simply not work in the lite air and he would get his brains beaten in

 

A lot of those people, ironically, also said Shingo would get hammered too with his off speed stuff.

 

Oh the irony as Shingo pitched one scoreless inning too

 

Inability to change speeds is not the problem in Coors. It's the inability to get any bite on a breaking pitch. To me, changing speeds would be a necessity while pitching there, as that would theoritically be the only effective pitch other than a heater.

I love the thread title.  I say things to this effect quite often in here.  Like, when someone thinks they would be a great GM.

 

or manager...

Every pointed towards him getting his ass kicked. Everything. Glad he proved probally every sox fan around wrong.

 

With his road performance this season, and the Rockies lineup, I predicted he'd do well. I'm glad I was right.

I could not believe how many people kept saying his off speed stuff would simply not work in the lite air and he would get his brains beaten in.

 

This is a known fact that even happens to pitchers with the best off speed pitches in the league. Nothing that anyone said before the game was out of the realm of possibility.

 

Wo0t you called out sox fans because people thought a big time fly ball pitcher, pitching in coors ( where balls fly out on would be easy fly balls) would do bad. He is has also been less than exciting during night games. Only thing on his side is that he has pitched well on the road this year.

 

If garcia ever pitches there again while with the white sox i know i will be saying the same thing despite how well he pitched there today.

With his road performance this season, and the Rockies lineup, I predicted he'd do well. I'm glad I was right.

 

The rockies are the best offensive team in the major leagues while at home far and away.

The rockies are the best offensive team in the major leagues while at home far and away.

 

They have a good average at home, but every team hits well for average at Coors. As for HRs, in the NL alone, both the Reds and Cubs have better home HR totals and the LA Dodgers are tied with the Rockies at 33 apiece, and considering one of their two (three if you count Hawpe) offensive threats went down for 3 months with a broken collarbone before the game, their lineup is not all that great. Combine that with Freddy's .206 BAA on the road coming into the game, and it seems that Freddy having a good performance wasn't all that inconceivable IMO.

Edited June 7, 200520 yr by Dam8610

Inability to change speeds is not the problem in Coors.  It's the inability to get any bite on a breaking pitch.  To me, changing speeds would be a necessity while pitching there, as that would theoritically be the only effective pitch other than a heater.

 

 

Oh YAS.. the irony in pointing out how little some fans really know..

Oh YAS.. the irony in pointing out how little some fans really know.. 

 

Sometimes, it seems that there is little or no thought put into some of these posts. But then, I should be used to it by now.

Lets just enjoy that masterpiece for what it was and not worry about who felt Freddy might struggle.

Lets just enjoy that masterpiece for what it was and not worry about who felt Freddy might struggle.

 

What fun is that?

I could not believe how many folks were saying before the game that Freddie was going to get his ass kicked in Coors if he threw his off speed stuff.

 

Well, as it turns out, he threw a 2 hitter despite throwing tons of off speed stuff.

 

Just a reminder of how little fans really know 

 

 

Predict Contreras for us, sox-r-us.

 

I say 5 ER in 5 in but he gets the win as Kim gets slaughtered.

To put this game in perspective, no AL team in the history of interleague play has ever pitched a two hitter in Denver.

 

Freddy was f***ing awesome.

Predict Contreras for us, sox-r-us.

 

I say 5 ER in 5 in but he gets the win as Kim gets slaughtered.

 

I'll predict 4ER over 6 2/3, 7 K 2 BB

I would like to know what these things were that pointed to his getting his arse kicked.

 

2004 Away 3.59ERA, 8W-4L, 11HR, 28BB, 79K, .237AA

2005 Away 2.28ERA, 5W-1L, 2HR, 8BB, 35K, .188AA

 

In 2004, the Cell & Wrigley ranked #1 & #2 in HR. The same as in 2005.

Coors ranks #4. Overall COL has gone form leading the majors with a 1.6HR/gm avg to dropping below the D-Backs with a 1.235HR/gm avg.

 

His HR/IP parks are the Cell & the Metrodome. At the Cell he avg's close to 6IP/HR & at the Metrodome he avg's about 5IP/HR.

 

COL does have thinner air & that does lead to ball's carrying farther but it's still a big park. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/stadium?team=col

347 3B, 390 LC, 415 C, 375RC, 350 1B.

Compare that with the dimensions of the Cell.

330 3B, 377 LC, 400 C, 372RC, 335 1B.

The Metrodome hurts RHBs, but helps LHBs.

343 3B, 385 LC, 408 C, 367RC, 327 1B.

 

Garcia performed up to expectations. Surrendering the 1 HR.

How about we give Freddy props for being awesome rather than making excuses for why we were wrong?

At the Cell, Contreras avg'd about 2IP/HR in 2004. In 2005 he's avg' about 3.5IP/HR.

 

That's about twice as often as Garcia this year. He's likely to give up 2 HR tonight. But he's facing a guy avg'g 1.5IP/HR at Coors. He's likely to give up 2-3 HR's as well. I'm not worried.

How about we give Freddy props for being awesome rather than making excuses for why we were wrong?

Because we're Sox fans, and naturally we love to show anyone up (well some people ).

 

Freddy has been absolutely superb since the Tampa game though. I was one of the few who was defending him after that, I still remember the "he's our 5th starter right now" posts. OOPS.

I love the thread title.  I say things to this effect quite often in here.  Like, when someone thinks they would be a great GM.

cough Anthrax cough

How about we give Freddy props for being awesome rather than making excuses for why we were wrong?

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That's about how I look at it, good point.

 

When he walked off the mound in the first inning he was clearly upset with himself, I got a kick out of how he smacked himself upside the head.

 

Colorado was probably in a mental funk after losing Barmes to the freak injury earlier in the day, but whenever you hold a major league team to 2 hits over 8 innings, that's very impressive.

Inability to change speeds is not the problem in Coors.  It's the inability to get any bite on a breaking pitch.  To me, changing speeds would be a necessity while pitching there, as that would theoritically be the only effective pitch other than a heater.

Damn right. Great post.

I'll predict 4ER over 6 2/3, 7 K 2 BB

Contreras still leads the league in opponents BA, .200. If he keeps his walks down, he could give up 3 runs or less.