Check out his WHIP. He should have an ERA about a run higher than it is.

 

Flat out, Contreras is a mediocre pitcher with good stuff. He can't throw strikes consistently enough, and when he does, he occasionally gets really shelled.

Edited July 20, 200520 yr by Greg Hibbard

wow, all with 2 outs.

What a f***ing loser.  On a team with such an amazing record this year, our W-L record when Contreras pitches is shockingly bad.  Ozzie is leaving him in to die now.

 

You're kidding right? Did you not read any of the posts with CyGarland. He has gotten 3 or more runs of support only THREE f***ING TIMES in 18 starts this year.

Well. 3 now. He's given up 3 and Crede's given up 3.

 

Crede didn't hang a 2 strike pitch to the number 8 hitter. Reminds me of Spurling last night.

Crede didn't hang a 2 strike pitch to the number 8 hitter.  Reminds me of Spurling last night.

 

If Crede makes the play, the inning is over. It was right to him.

What a f***ing loser.  On a team with such an amazing record this year, our W-L record when Contreras pitches is shockingly bad.  Ozzie is leaving him in to die now.

 

I stand by my reasoning that the team doesn't play as well when he pitches. Maybe they just don't feel like they have as good a chance to win as other days.

 

Well. 3 now. He's given up 3 and Crede's given up 3.

 

However you wanna say it, there's another run on this loser.

That's the problem, you're just looking at the wins. That doesn't make a good pitcher. Jake Peavy has won 2 less games than Gil Meche but has an ERA of 1.69 less than Meche. Does that make Meche a better pitcher because he has 2 more wins?

My point is he is OUR 5th starter. Plain and simple. On a lot of teams he could be there #1 starter, or 2 or 3. I guarantee if we make the playoffs, JC won't even start 1 game, especially if El Duque is healthy.

Edited July 20, 200520 yr by CYGarland

Whatever this one's in the books

Finally

At least Minnesota and Cleveland are losing...were 33 over stop booing!!!

I hope Ozzie is trying to teach Contreras a lesson there. If not, that's bad, bad managing. I'll actually give benefit of the doubt to Ozzie there.

I hope KW is not serious about not chasing anybody big for this team. Its hard to tell at times what we need more, a reliever or a starter.

If Crede makes the play, the inning is over. It was right to him.

 

I agree he should have made the play, but that doesn't mean Infante was entitled to a homer. Come on, if Garland did the same thing last year, everyone would have been bashing him. Everyone knows Contreras s***s the bed if anything bad happens, and it definitely took place again tonight.

I hope KW is not serious about not chasing anybody big for this team.  Its hard to tell at times what we need more, a reliever or a starter.

 

A lefty hitter?

Or maybe that Indians team was just in an awful hitting slump.  They're getting blanked against the Royals tonight.

He has given up 9 less HR in his away starts and after tonight he'll have an ERA of 1 less than his home starts.

The equivalent of 5 straight doubles.

You're kidding right? Did you not read any of the posts with CyGarland. He has gotten 3 or more runs of support only THREE f***ING TIMES in 18 starts this year.

 

I've always thought he's not a winning player. From the time I saw him in NYY, to the last year or so with the Sox, he's never done anything to make me thing he's the type of player who will contribute to a team winning more than the average player. He's just too inconsistent.

At least it's a lot more exciting to watch Jenks pitch instead of Adkins or Mike Jackson in mop-up duty.

The Cubans are a problem. Why couldn't they be one pitcher name Jolando Contrandez. A guy with balls that knows how to pitch with talent. The talent coming from Contreras and the balls/knowledge coming from Duque. Unfortunately, we have two half pitchers.

That's damn impressive there.

The Cubans are a problem.  Why couldn't they be one pitcher name Jolando Contrandez.  A guy with balls that knows how to pitch with talent.  The talent coming from Contreras and the balls/knowledge coming from Duque.  Unfortunately, we have two half pitchers.

 

Tyson Curry?

The Cubans are a problem.  Why couldn't they be one pitcher name Jolando Contrandez.  A guy with balls that knows how to pitch with talent.  The talent coming from Contreras and the balls/knowledge coming from Duque.  Unfortunately, we have two half pitchers.

 

And we still pitch them back-to-back, which takes a toll on our bullpen. I'm not criticizing Ozzie here (he's had a great stretch lately), but he really should have split them up.

Tyson Curry?

 

I don't watch or like basketball, but sure. That's probably the same deal.

At least it's a lot more exciting to watch Jenks pitch instead of Adkins or Mike Jackson in mop-up duty.

 

 

Mike Jackson. Did you really have to mention him? :puke

Can we just package our two pitchers so far tonight, with a prospect, and get Schmidt?