Hi everyone, I'm new to the board, so I apologize if this has been posted elsewhere. I was listening to Mike and Mike this morning and Jason Stark was filling in for Golic. When asked about Griffey moving to the White Sox, here's what he had to say:

 

1) Trade was probably not as close to being completed as Williams has eluded to. Apparently neither Griffey or his agent were asked whether they would wave the no trade clause

 

2) It'll be tough to claim him on waivers since the original deal included minor leaguers. Apparently minor league talent is tough to move through waivers since other teams can snatch them prior to the Reds.

 

This is news to me. I didn't realize trades during this period required both parties to move their players through the waiver wire, but that was in essence what he was saying.

 

Bottom line, Starks does not believe Griffey will be going anywhere.

I thought if a player wasn't on the 40 man roster, they didn't have to clear waivers??? Is that wrong?

Southsider you are correct.

If a player is not on the 40 man, they can't be waived...they don't have to been waived.

 

For Example: The Mike Remlinger trade to the BoSox for a minor league arm.

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Thanks JD... And where are my manners? Welcome to Soxtalk Tim!!!

Thanks Southsider,

 

That's interesting. I could have completely misinterpreted Stark (I'm not in the best shape at 7 AM...) although I do know he was convinced Griffey wouldn't move.

You'd think Stark would want to be up to date on how the 40 man roster works.

Thanks Southsider,

 

That's interesting. I could have completely misinterpreted Stark (I'm not in the best shape at 7 AM...) although I do know he was convinced Griffey wouldn't move.

 

i interpreted it the same way you did. he made no mention of the 40-man roster.

i interpreted it the same way you did. he made no mention of the 40-man roster.

 

If the deal that was rumored is the basis of the new deal, then none of the minor leaguers the Sox would be sending to Cincy were on the 40 man roster, thus they wouldn't be subject to the waiver rules. The only player that would have to survive waivers would be Griffey Jr.

If the deal that was rumored is the basis of the new deal, then none of the minor leaguers the Sox would be sending to Cincy were on the 40 man roster, thus they wouldn't be subject to the waiver rules.  The only player that would have to survive waivers would be Griffey Jr.

This is correct, and I was wondering why Stark did not mention this on the radio as well.

Thanks Southsider,

 

That's interesting. I could have completely misinterpreted Stark (I'm not in the best shape at 7 AM...) although I do know he was convinced Griffey wouldn't move.

welcome to soxtalk biatch

OK, FWIW Bruce was just on the pregame and had tape of Griffey now saying he loves Chicago, and if the Reds GM works something out he is willing to listen.

 

This is not earthshattering, so I'm not starting a new thread like

 

GRIFFEY LOVES CHICAGO!!!

 

similar to how the Cubune does it when their reporters ask a potential FA if they would want to play for the Cubs and they say something like 'Yeah, Chicago is a good place...' next days headline (using Damon from this year as the most recent example)

 

DAMON WANTS TO PLAY IN CHICAGO

No it's not true Junior is a huge asshole and he hates the Sox and JR and the Cell. Junior is too much of an idiot to want to come here.

No it's not true Junior is a huge asshole and he hates the Sox and JR and the Cell.  Junior is too much of an idiot to want to come here.

 

Fix that for ya. Anyway, if the White Sox did want to trade someone on their 40 man roster, couldn't they just put him in as PTBNL and if the guy doesn't clear waiver, just trade him in the offseason?

Hi everyone, I'm new to the board, so I apologize if this has been posted elsewhere. I was listening to Mike and Mike this morning and Jason Stark was filling in for Golic. When asked about Griffey moving to the White Sox, here's what he had to say:

 

1) Trade was probably not as close to being completed as Williams has eluded to. Apparently neither Griffey or his agent were asked whether they would wave the no trade clause

 

2) It'll be tough to claim him on waivers since the original deal included minor leaguers. Apparently minor league talent is tough to move through waivers since other teams can snatch them prior to the Reds.

 

This is news to me. I didn't realize trades during this period required both parties to move their players through the waiver wire, but that was in essence what he was saying.

 

Bottom line, Starks does not believe Griffey will be going anywhere.

Stark rides the short-bus, because minor leaguers not listed on the 40 man rostere don't have to clear waivers. So Chris Young and quite a few of the Sox top prospects would be able to get offered in deals without having to clear waivers.

 

Brandon McCarthy, however, will not be traded.

Wasn't Rogowski in the original deal? He's on the 40 man.

Wasn't Rogowski in the original deal? He's on the 40 man.

Yes. I couldn't see the exclusion of Rogo as a deal breaker though.

Yes. I couldn't see the exclusion of Rogo as a deal breaker though.

No, but they said noone but Griffey had to clear waivers from the offer. That wasn't true.

A team seeking to outright a player to a ml club or to another ML club in the month of August must request a ML waiver on that player. The rule is very clear.

Can the PTBNL option be used in August?

I think I understand what Stark is saying. It has to do with ml option years.

When a ml player having option years is traded the new club does not have to

request an OR waiver to move that player to their ml club. I think in the case of the White Sox & Reds deal all of the ml players involved have options remaining. Those are player options & are not subject to any one team.

 

So in the case of the Reds - CWS trade I don't think that's an issue.

 

But if the ml player is out of options I can see where MLB would then view

the acquistion of such a player as an addition to the new team's 40-man roster & in that case require the new team to request ML waivers on that player. Even if said ml player had cleared OR waivers in the prior waiver period.

 

I can see where Stark might think that was an issue in Aug trades because many ML ready ml'ers are probably out of option years.