Spiff Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Rowand called out at home. Crede called out at second. Konerko called out on a called swing by the home plate ump. All these went against us, when 2 (and possibly 3) should have gone for us. The strike zone was (bleeping) huge for Washburn and co. tonight, and they had their share of breaks. I don't feel sorry for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 The only questionable one was Pauly's check swing, the other two were clearly called correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Rowand was clearly out. Crede was clearly out. Konerko may or may not have went, but he should have asked for help on the call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted October 13, 2005 Author Share Posted October 13, 2005 No way, the only one even close to being blatant was Rowand. Crede at second was so close it's ridiculous and it went their way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 IMO, Rowand and Crede were clearly out. Not by a mile certainly...but Crede's hand wasn't on that base by the time the catch was made. There was one angle that showed this really well. Umps were right on the spot today for those calls at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:02 AM) IMO, Rowand and Crede were clearly out. Not by a mile certainly...but Crede's hand wasn't on that base by the time the catch was made. There was one angle that showed this really well. Umps were right on the spot today for those calls at least. Completely agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted October 13, 2005 Author Share Posted October 13, 2005 I beg to differ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:56 AM) The only questionable one was Pauly's check swing, the other two were clearly called correctly. no it wasnt. i was in the upper deck with a perfect view of whether the guys went around or didnt... i would've called the same thing. i knew he went the moment it happened, didnt need the ump to say anything. side note: i think it's funny as hell when the crowd boos a really good call if it goes against us... IMO just sit down, shut up and deal with it. this is baseball - unfortunately it has rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(Spiff @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:04 AM) I beg to differ. I'd love to agree with you man, but Rowand and Crede were clearly out. I didn't even need to see the replay to know Rowand was out. I wasn't sure about Crede when I first saw it, but the replay showed he was clearly out. The baserunning has been AWFUL these first two games. That has got to improve if we want to win this series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted October 13, 2005 Author Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(Reddy @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 03:06 AM) no it wasnt. i was in the upper deck with a perfect view of whether the guys went around or didnt... i would've called the same thing. i knew he went the moment it happened, didnt need the ump to say anything. side note: i think it's funny as hell when the crowd boos a really good call if it goes against us... IMO just sit down, shut up and deal with it. this is baseball - unfortunately it has rules. well apparently you didnt see a replay yet, because it appears as though he didnt go around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(Spiff @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 02:08 AM) well apparently you didnt see a replay yet, because it appears as though he didnt go around. The problem with this is it's always a judgement call, there's no definite way to make the call. So if they said he went or they said he didn't, it's probly a decent call either way because it's so close, you know? Safe/Out is usually black and white, check swings aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(Spiff @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:08 AM) well apparently you didnt see a replay yet, because it appears as though he didnt go around. That call was very, very close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Spiff @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 02:08 AM) well apparently you didnt see a replay yet, because it appears as though he didnt go around. f*** replays. this should be a human game - not a computer one. lol yeah you're right i havent seen the replays but from where i was it REALLY looked like he went. obviously i could be wrong. Edited October 13, 2005 by Reddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvxplorer Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 My two peeves that I don’t want to hear: The assinine Cub fans saying the Sox cheated The assorted idiots, including two on the ESPN web page, who say without the call in the 9th, the Sox are down 2-0 Morons. Just...m...f’n...morons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Rowand should have never... EVAR been sent in the first place. Crede was the dumbass hanging way too far off the base. Am i the only one that thought the strike zone was pretty damn for both sides today? Either way the sox screwed themselves on both of the two plays mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(Reddy @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 02:10 AM) f*** replays. this should be a human game - not a computer one. lol yeah you're right i havent seen the replays but from where i was it REALLY looked like he went. obviously i could be wrong. I had work tonight and only caught moments of the game(luckily, I did see the whole AJ s*** live)...but I'm pretty sure I saw the Konerko check swing thing we're talking about. I will honestly say, the instant I saw it happen, I knew he went around. Replays will not change my mind. If another of the exact same scenario occurred, and I just missed it...then I lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 02:12 AM) Rowand should have never... EVAR been sent in the first place. Crede was the dumbass hanging way too far off the base. Am i the only one that thought the strike zone was pretty damn for both sides today? Either way the sox screwed themselves on both of the two plays mentioned. agree 100% oh and how bout scotty not executing... again. it's so weird that he had the best BA on the team but it always always seems like he gets out more often than the others... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 02:12 AM) Rowand should have never... EVAR been sent in the first place. Crede was the dumbass hanging way too far off the base. Am i the only one that thought the strike zone was pretty damn for both sides today? Either way the sox screwed themselves on both of the two plays mentioned. Two comments on Crede plays screw up. One, I think he the flight of the ball fooled him. I think he thought the ball would get down sooner than it did. Two, when he started back to 2B, his first step was lost due to his foot slipping. I'm not excusing him for the mistake, but he would have been safe if he hadn't slipped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 12:16 AM) Two comments on Crede plays screw up. One, I think he the flight of the ball fooled him. I think he thought the ball would get down sooner than it did. Two, when he started back to 2B, his first step was lost due to his foot slipping. I'm not excusing him for the mistake, but he would have been safe if he hadn't slipped. he never would've slipped if he hadn't been so far off and realized he was going to get nailed. no matter - goat to hero. That's baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:12 AM) Rowand should have never... EVAR been sent in the first place. No s***...he looked like he was gonna die rounding second on his way to third. Cora shoulda known better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Apparently Cora knows the rule about never making the first out of an inning at 3rd base but he's not so sure about home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Question: If 3rd and 1st were empty... why doesn't the guy making the play at 2nd on Crede not have to tag him? You'd think that stepping on the bag wouldn't be enough, kinda like when a player gets picked off at 2nd or 1st and they have to tag him first instead of just having their foot on the bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:58 AM) Question: If 3rd and 1st were empty... why doesn't the guy making the play at 2nd on Crede not have to tag him? You'd think that stepping on the bag wouldn't be enough, kinda like when a player gets picked off at 2nd or 1st and they have to tag him first instead of just having their foot on the bag. Cause on a caught baseball you have to tag up to advance a base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkalk Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 02:58 AM) Question: If 3rd and 1st were empty... why doesn't the guy making the play at 2nd on Crede not have to tag him? You'd think that stepping on the bag wouldn't be enough, kinda like when a player gets picked off at 2nd or 1st and they have to tag him first instead of just having their foot on the bag. On a caught ball, it's a force out back to the bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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