January 18, 200620 yr They have Anderson and Liotta as the top hitter and pitcher 11th overall, even after losing 3 top prospects is darn good.
January 19, 200620 yr The top hitting prospect, the top pitching prospect, along with another very solid SP prospect, and they are 11th. Ya, that kind of says something about the depth in the minors I'd think.
January 19, 200620 yr QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jan 18, 2006 -> 09:43 PM) The top hitting prospect, the top pitching prospect, along with another very solid SP prospect, and they are 11th. Ya, that kind of says something about the depth in the minors I'd think. He just meant Liotta and BA are top pitcher and hitter in the system.
January 19, 200620 yr QUOTE(3E8 @ Jan 18, 2006 -> 10:03 PM) Anyone got a BABIP number for Liotta? (H-HR)/(AB-HR-K) For pitchers, you can't really find AB data, but AB should about equal to 3*IP+H+RoE -- And you probably won't be able to find minor league Reached on Error data either. You can get a pretty good idea if you fudge it though. Edited January 19, 200620 yr by Gene Honda Civic
January 19, 200620 yr QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jan 18, 2006 -> 10:05 PM) He just meant Liotta and BA are top pitcher and hitter in the system. And I think wite meant that we lost our top hitter in Chris Young. Our top pitcher came off the prospect list in BMac and we traded away Gio ... all that and still number 11. Not bad. Edited January 19, 200620 yr by YASNY
January 19, 200620 yr QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 19, 2006 -> 02:56 AM) And I think wite meant that we lost our top hitter in Chris Young. Our top pitcher came off the prospect list in BMac and we traded away Gio ... all that and still number 11. Not bad. ^^^ Very near the upper echelon in the league when concering farm systems, and our minor leagues got ravaged this year...in a good way obviously, with callups and trades. I'm wondering where it is had KW not traded Young, Gio, and Haig.
January 20, 200620 yr QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jan 19, 2006 -> 12:36 AM) (H-HR)/(AB-HR-K) For pitchers, you can't really find AB data, but AB should about equal to 3*IP+H+RoE -- And you probably won't be able to find minor league Reached on Error data either. You can get a pretty good idea if you fudge it though. Thank you.. '05 -- .288 (w/ RoE every other game)
January 20, 200620 yr QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jan 19, 2006 -> 02:15 PM) ^^^ Very near the upper echelon in the league when concering farm systems, and our minor leagues got ravaged this year...in a good way obviously, with callups and trades. I'm wondering where it is had KW not traded Young, Gio, and Haig. I think it would easily be in the top 5.
January 20, 200620 yr QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jan 19, 2006 -> 12:15 PM) ^^^ Very near the upper echelon in the league when concering farm systems, and our minor leagues got ravaged this year...in a good way obviously, with callups and trades. I'm wondering where it is had KW not traded Young, Gio, and Haig. I really don't think we are the 11th best farm system. If we are the other systems must blow. All our talent is at lower levels and even that is quite thin for the time being. If a few guys can get healthy and live up to their potential I can see us being there, but they haven't proved it yet. My guess is they had them pretty high and made the ranking when we had all those guys. Our system was pretty strong than, probably right around top 10, maybe top 7.
January 20, 200620 yr Author QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 20, 2006 -> 12:23 PM) I really don't think we are the 11th best farm system. If we are the other systems must blow. All our talent is at lower levels and even that is quite thin for the time being. If a few guys can get healthy and live up to their potential I can see us being there, but they haven't proved it yet. My guess is they had them pretty high and made the ranking when we had all those guys. Our system was pretty strong than, probably right around top 10, maybe top 7. Young, Haigwood and Gonzalez were not included in the rankings.
January 20, 200620 yr I really think they are overating our farm system too... i wouldnt put us in the top15.... but hey if they want to hype our prospects I dont mind just means more trade bait.
January 20, 200620 yr Author QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jan 20, 2006 -> 12:47 PM) I really think they are overating our farm system too... i wouldnt put us in the top15.... but hey if they want to hype our prospects I dont mind just means more trade bait. Paul White wrote the piece. Gems of the System Brian Anderson Ray Liottta Cream of the Crop Francisco Hernandez Chris Stewart (really likes Stewart-I see him as our back-up next year) Rob Valido (he calls him Rob, not Roberto) Up-and-Coming Brandon Allen Jack Egbert Josh Fields Jay Marshall Noe Rodriguez Ehren Wassermann (loses a lot of cred. there, Wasser is good, but undrafted-not a up and coming and 25.) Sleepers (although they called it Up-and-Coming again, it was an error) Tom Collaro Boone Logan Paul Moviel Top 2005 Draftees Lance Broadway Alex Woodson Daniel Cortes Aaron Cunningham Clayton Richards Others Worth Noting Jerry Owens Kris Honel Sean Tracey Frank Viola III White loses credibility with me for not mentioning Sweeney and Getz while he mentions others less deserving, but there was his list.
January 20, 200620 yr QUOTE(DukeNukeEm @ Jan 20, 2006 -> 01:33 PM) Were getting love b/c were World Champs. Im not kidding. Wouldn't surprise me in the least. When Andy Marte was still in the Braves system, he was viewed as a very good hitting prospect that was near ready at a very young age. When traded to Boston, he instantly became God and the best hitter guaranteed over the next 15 years.
January 20, 200620 yr QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jan 20, 2006 -> 07:28 PM) Paul White wrote the piece. Gems of the System Brian Anderson Ray Liottta Cream of the Crop Francisco Hernandez Chris Stewart (really likes Stewart-I see him as our back-up next year) Rob Valido (he calls him Rob, not Roberto) Up-and-Coming Brandon Allen Jack Egbert Josh Fields Jay Marshall Noe Rodriguez Ehren Wassermann (loses a lot of cred. there, Wasser is good, but undrafted-not a up and coming and 25.) Sleepers (although they called it Up-and-Coming again, it was an error) Tom Collaro Boone Logan Paul Moviel Top 2005 Draftees Lance Broadway Alex Woodson Daniel Cortes Aaron Cunningham Clayton Richards Others Worth Noting Jerry Owens Kris Honel Sean Tracey Frank Viola III White loses credibility with me for not mentioning Sweeney and Getz while he mentions others less deserving, but there was his list. I dont like his evaluation at all.... I dont even know who Frank Viola III is. I consider Broadway a better prospect than Liotta and since Anderson is in the majors now id put Sweeney up there. Id also change it put Josh Fields in cream of the crop and take out Stewart. Also id put everyone's favorite 3B cant remember the name Micah shurnstein or some crap close to that in the up and coming and dont really care for the other names he has there. For sleepers id stick that CF kid we got who was in the rookie league last season his name escapes me at the moment and id add Corwin Malone in Others worth noting if he is going to have Honel there.
January 20, 200620 yr Viola and Moviel are not major league prospects. Yet Sean Tracey and Jerry Owens (two of our 10 best prospects) are somehow on the list with him and Ryan Sweeney is nowhere to be seen. Also surprised Richard Brooks isn't anywhere. I like his arm. 90% of his up and comers list is garbage. And if Chris Stewart is a cream of the crop our organization should be dead last. Ya that young Cf that Kenny loves. Name escapes me right now and Micah is definately the s***znit at 3rd.
January 20, 200620 yr BTW, has it become public knowledge who Baseball America is going to name as the Sox #1 prospect? It's quite interesting.
January 20, 200620 yr Author QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 20, 2006 -> 03:18 PM) Viola and Moviel are not major league prospects. Yet Sean Tracey and Jerry Owens (two of our 10 best prospects) are somehow on the list with him and Ryan Sweeney is nowhere to be seen. Also surprised Richard Brooks isn't anywhere. I like his arm. 90% of his up and comers list is garbage. And if Chris Stewart is a cream of the crop our organization should be dead last. Ya that young Cf that Kenny loves. Name escapes me right now and Micah is definately the s***znit at 3rd. Salvador Sanchez?
January 20, 200620 yr Author QUOTE(fathom @ Jan 20, 2006 -> 04:12 PM) BTW, has it become public knowledge who Baseball America is going to name as the Sox #1 prospect? It's quite interesting. I have heard grumblings of who it is. I won't say because some people will want to see it when it comes out, but if you PM I will tell you.
January 20, 200620 yr QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jan 20, 2006 -> 04:32 PM) I have heard grumblings of who it is. I won't say because some people will want to see it when it comes out, but if you PM I will tell you. Can you PM me what have you been hearing?
January 20, 200620 yr Gems of the System Brian Anderson - duh Ray Liottta - duh, except I suppose Broadway might have a chance Cream of the Crop Francisco Hernandez - Not till he hits AA Chris Stewart - should be in AAA, solid year in AA, but this year will be make-or-break....not top 5 at all, though Rob Valido - I agree Up-and-Coming Brandon Allen Jack Egbert - I'm a fan of Egbert, had some nice starts Josh Fields - The pitcher or the hitter? Either one could be listed, I suppose Jay Marshall Noe Rodriguez - since when? Ehren Wassermann- maybe two years ago, but he'd need to have a dynamite year in AA Sleepers (although they called it Up-and-Coming again, it was an error) Tom Collaro - Boone Logan Paul Moviel Top 2005 Draftees Lance Broadway - yes, he was Alex Woodson Daniel Cortes Aaron Cunningham - BIG fan Clayton Richards Others Worth Noting Jerry Owens Kris Honel Sean Tracey Frank Viola III - no, not really
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