As a smoker, I will just miss being able to go up to the concourse, have a smoke, and still watch the game. I don't mind having to go to a designated area, but they should at least make sure you can hear the call on the radio, which I am pretty sure you can on the ramps.

 

If anything this is another step towards quitting. I just don't know what I am going to do in the 9th innings with the Sox up a run and Jenks on the mound. I will need to smoke for that.

 

I was at the United Center last week and they of course cut off smoking as well, but one thing I noticed, without the smell of smoke covering it up, you can smell every bit of flatulence that seeps from everyone's asses at the bar. Before the smoke just covered it up. I don't know about you, but I would rather smell smoke than someone's filthy asshole.

does this include crack too or is this just a cigarette thing.

This reminds me of a comedian I once heard...

 

I can't stand my friends who smoke...I meet them for dinner and first thing they do is light up 

 

  So how was your day??

 

Well ya know I have a habit of spitting, so I'm like

 

 

Pretty good how about yours???

Bill Hicks!!!!

 

oh s***, maybe it was Dom Irrera.....

either way

Edited March 30, 200620 yr by The Critic

I would think that I have the legal right to breathe as well.

OK. I have to ask you to step over into our designated breathing area, Sir.

 

See the idiocy?

Wow, you left yourself WIDE OPEN for this one....

 

 

 

I'm in a good mood today.

OK. I have to ask you to step over into our designated breathing area, Sir.

 

See the idiocy?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

My second hand exhaling doesn't cause you stinky clothes and a potential health problem.

 

See the logic?

kinda like what queen said, I wonder if my dad will ever go to a game with me again?

 

 

But anyways,

this is going to have to be moved into the filibuster soon huh?

Actually, to be clear, there is no such thing as a right to drive.  Driving is a legal priviledge, subject to government conditions.  Smoking as an activity is not per se regulated the same way driving is, but there are definitely laws conditioning the activity, so I am not sure about that being a right either - kind of a grey area.

 

Sorry, OT:

 

But there is a right to travel. Traveling by automobile is a facilitation of this. Driving, as you say, is a legal priviledge. However, in a legal sense, the only actual reason you would need for a "license" for "driving" is if you are directly making profit from the driving. I'm not just talking about going to work in your car, but people who actually make money for driving such as cab drivers or truck drivers. The "driver's license" and you and I have come to know it, is actually a sham. Thank the insurance companies. It is somewhat of a necessary evil to ensure a semblance of safe travel on the road, but it's been gone about all underhandedly. But that is neither here nor there in regards to the smoking legislation.

 

Continue the smoking debate!

Sorry, OT:

 

But there is a right to travel.  Traveling by automobile is a facilitation of this.  Driving, as you say, is a legal priviledge.  However, in a legal sense, the only actual reason you would need for a "license" for "driving" is if you are directly making profit from the driving.  I'm not just talking about going to work in your car, but people who actually make money for driving such as cab drivers or truck drivers.  The "driver's license" and you and I have come to know it, is actually a sham. Thank the insurance companies.  It is somewhat of a necessary evil to ensure a semblance of safe travel on the road, but it's been gone about all underhandedly.  But that is neither here nor there in regards to the smoking legislation.

 

Continue the smoking debate!

You are mistaken. Driving is a legal priviledge. It has nothing to do with "making a profit" (I assume you actually meant something about driving for work anyway, not profit, since I see no logical connection between profit and driving). It is a regulated activity, and the state has the right to revoke said priviledge any time it chooses. Therefore, it is not a right at all, but a priviledge. You have a right to travel within a state (which cannot be revoked unless you are in jail), but no right to do so by car.

 

As for how this connects to smoking, I am not sure if the analogy is accurate. Seems like a different setting, though there are similarities. But I honestly don't know how the laws about public health effect smoking legislation.

Chicago is Cook County.. 

 

no Cook County is out of Chicago mostly made up of Shaumburg where I live.... and they just passed it as well but wont take effect for a year.

no Cook County is out of Chicago mostly made up of Shaumburg where I live.... and they just passed it as well but wont take effect for a year.

 

 

Sorry, I wasn't very clear. It wasn't a question. Chicago is Cook County.

As a smoker, I will just miss being able to go up to the concourse, have a smoke, and still watch the game.

 

If anything this is another step towards quitting.  I just don't know what I am going to do in the 9th innings with the Sox up a run and Jenks on the mound.  I will need to smoke for that.

 

 

 

 

Couldn't agree more... back when we had Koch, I used to go through a half of pack. Not that Shingo's troubles were not any easier on the lungs.....chit, here's hoping Bobby gets his s*** straight.

My second hand exhaling doesn't cause you stinky clothes and a potential health problem.

 

See the logic?

There you go, big difference.

a smoker who smokes a pack per day for 10 years and then quits only has a SLIGHTLY higher chance of lung cancer/disease than a non-smoker.  So you wanna explain to me how exactly a brush with second hand smoke on the concourse is a "risk to your health"?

 

 

I would say the person who smokes for 10 years has the dark black lung, tell me that doesn't have a significant risk over someone who has a normal lung

 

I think the "brush" with second hand smoke doesn't mean that if you inhale second hand smoke for one night that it will kill you, the idea is that the amount of second hand smoke you breathe in a lifetime accumulates, and in turn becomes harmful

You are mistaken.  Driving is a legal priviledge.  It has nothing to do with "making a profit" (I assume you actually meant something about driving for work anyway, not profit, since I see no logical connection between profit and driving).  It is a regulated activity, and the state has the right to revoke said priviledge any time it chooses.  Therefore, it is not a right at all, but a priviledge.  You have a right to travel within a state (which cannot be revoked unless you are in jail), but no right to do so by car.

 

As for how this connects to smoking, I am not sure if the analogy is accurate.  Seems like a different setting, though there are similarities.  But I honestly don't know how the laws about public health effect smoking legislation.

 

I agree, the connection between this and smoking is loose at best which is why this is off topic. As I stated before, you are correct in saying driving is a legal priviledge. The conflict is in the definition of "driver." I'll have more to say about this later.

So you wanna explain to me how exactly a brush with second hand smoke on the concourse is a "risk to your health"?

You have asthma? Or any other upper respitory disease?

I would say the person who smokes for 10 years has the dark black lung, tell me that doesn't have a significant risk over someone who has a normal lung

 

 

 

Studies have shown that the lungs of a person who smokes for years then quits return to normal within 1 year. Cillia regenerate making this possible. Also within a year the risk of coronary disease is reduced dramatically, and within 5 years the risk of stroke is that of a person who has never smoked.

 

"How Quickly Do the Benefits of Quitting Start?"

 

* "Just 20 minutes after your last cigarette, your blood pressure and

pulse rate drop to normal and the body temperature of your hands and

feet increases to normal."

 

* "A mere 8 hours after your last smoke, the carbon monoxide level

decreases and the oxygen level in your blood increases to normal."

 

* "Just 24 hours after your last cigarette, you substantially lessen

your chances of having a heart attack."

 

* "Two days after your last cigarette, you will notice that your

ability to taste and smell is enhanced."

 

* "Three days later, your breathing should be noticeably better

because your lung capacity will be greater."

 

* "Your circulation will improve and your lung functioning will

increase up to 30% within two weeks to three months after quitting."

 

* "Between one month and nine months, the cilia in your lungs will

regenerate, allowing your body to clean your lungs and reduce

infection."

 

* "One year after quitting, your risk of coronary heart disease is

half that of a smoker."

 

* "Five years after quitting, your risk of stroke is reduced to that

of a nonsmoker."

 

* "Ten years after quitting, the lung cancer death rate is about half

that of a continuing smokers. The risk of cancer of the mouth, throat,

esophagus, bladder, kidney and pancreas decreases."

 

* "Fifteen years after quitting, your risk of coronary heart disease

is that of a nonsmokers.

 

(U.S. Surgeon General's Reports (1988, 1990)

 

 

 

And please don't mistake my comments as a defense for lighting up anywhere.. it's not. But if you're going to make such strong statements you should have the right infomation to make them.

no Cook County is out of Chicago mostly made up of Shaumburg where I live.... and they just passed it as well but wont take effect for a year.

I'm not sure what you are talking about. Chicago IS in Cook County.

Studies have shown that the lungs of a person who smokes for years then quits return to normal within 1 year. Cillia regenerate making this possible. Also within a year the risk of coronary disease is reduced dramatically, and within 5 years the risk of stroke is that of a person who has never smoked.

 

"How Quickly Do the Benefits of Quitting Start?"

 

* "Just 20 minutes after your last cigarette, your blood pressure and

pulse rate drop to normal and the body temperature of your hands and

feet increases to normal."

 

* "A mere 8 hours after your last smoke, the carbon monoxide level

decreases and the oxygen level in your blood increases to normal."

 

* "Just 24 hours after your last cigarette, you substantially lessen

your chances of having a heart attack."

 

* "Two days after your last cigarette, you will notice that your

ability to taste and smell is enhanced."

 

* "Three days later, your breathing should be noticeably better

because your lung capacity will be greater."

 

* "Your circulation will improve and your lung functioning will

increase up to 30% within two weeks to three months after quitting."

 

* "Between one month and nine months, the cilia in your lungs will

regenerate, allowing your body to clean your lungs and reduce

infection."

 

* "One year after quitting, your risk of coronary heart disease is

half that of a smoker."

 

* "Five years after quitting, your risk of stroke is reduced to that

of a nonsmoker."

 

* "Ten years after quitting, the lung cancer death rate is about half

that of a continuing smokers. The risk of cancer of the mouth, throat,

esophagus, bladder, kidney and pancreas decreases."

 

* "Fifteen years after quitting, your risk of coronary heart disease

is that of a nonsmokers.

 

(U.S. Surgeon General's Reports (1988, 1990)

And please don't mistake my comments as a defense for lighting up anywhere.. it's not. But if you're going to make such strong statements you should have the right infomation to make them.

 

Link?

 

I'm curious to read more.

Link?

 

I'm curious to read more.

If you go to any cigarette web site this information will be there.

http://www.rjrt.com/smoking/summaryCover.aspx

Edited March 30, 200620 yr by Sox1422

Link?

 

I'm curious to read more.

 

 

www.yahoo.com

 

 

U.S. Surgeon General's Reports (1988, 1990)

All this talk... I'm going outside for a smoke. Figure I better get them in now since I won't smoke as much as I usually did at the games.

www.yahoo.com

U.S. Surgeon General's Reports (1988, 1990)

 

Thanks for the link.

They're not kidding about the smell thing. Boy, does that ever change after you quit.

Good ban the ramps next year!