SSH2005 Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 (edited) Carl Pavano, AJ Burnett, Eric Milton, and Jaret Wright say hi. They all had good seasons right before they signed their new contracts. Garland is having an awful season right before he would have been a free agent had the Sox not locked him up. Your comparison makes no sense. Edited May 29, 2006 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ May 28, 2006 -> 10:39 PM) Carl Pavano, AJ Burnett, Eric Milton, and Jaret Wright say hi. 3.00, 3.44/98MPH, $7Mper and 3.28 say hi. I don't think you understood that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 28, 2006 -> 11:42 PM) 3.00, 3.44/98MPH, $7Mper and 3.28 say hi. I don't think you understood that one. I understood it just fine. My point is there's plenty of pitchers that break the bank because pitching's become such a high commodity, especially of late. Even if the season ended today, Garland could pull in just as much as they did, if not more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ May 28, 2006 -> 10:44 PM) But thats the point. Garland could very easily been that guy in 07. Kenny has made it VERY clear that he doesnt want to get into bidding wars on the FA market, hence the signings of Garland and Count, and getting Vaz last winter. Williams took the chance on locking up Jon now, and right now he is getting burned. However, the Garland-Contreras situations are basically identical, and Kenny looks like a genius. No one is blaiming KW, he did the right thing. The only one being blamed is Jon Garland. I don't really see the conflict here. QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ May 28, 2006 -> 10:45 PM) I understood it just fine. My point is there's plenty of pitchers that break the bank because pitching's become such a high commodity, especially of late. Even if the season ended today, Garland could pull in just as much as they did, if not more. If Garland finishes the year with an ERA over 6 he will not make AJ Burnett money, I can gaurantee you that. Milton money on the other hand is very likely, $4, $8.5M, $9M is Eric's contract and it seems about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 28, 2006 -> 11:46 PM) No one is blaiming KW, he did the right thing. The only one being blamed is Jon Garland. I don't really see the conflict here. Well, I blame both of them honestly. I mean, I think it was a silly thing for KW to give that much money to a pitcher who was average throughout his career, then had one above average year. On the other hand, Garland is the one pitching, and he has not looked like himself this year. If he wants to prove that he's deserving of that money, he needs to find some confidence. Unfortunetly, I don't see him doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 (edited) But thats the point. Garland could very easily been that guy in 07. Kenny has made it VERY clear that he doesnt want to get into bidding wars on the FA market, hence the signings of Garland and Count, and getting Vaz last winter. Williams took the chance on locking up Jon now, and right now he is getting burned. However, the Garland-Contreras situations are basically identical, and Kenny looks like a genius. I still think we are going to trade Garcia next offseason to free up a spot for McCarthy, probably for pitching prospect(s). Garcia will likely have the better season, he is considered more of a dominating pitcher than Garland, and he will only have one year left under contract. The Sox will use the money freed up by trading Garcia on an extension for Buehrle. 2007 Rotation: Buehrle Contreras Vazquez McCarthy Garland I understood it just fine. My point is there's plenty of pitchers that break the bank because pitching's become such a high commodity, especially of late. Even if the season ended today, Garland could pull in just as much as they did, if not more. I disagree. Not with a 6.25 ERA. Edited May 29, 2006 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ May 28, 2006 -> 10:47 PM) He was talking contracts. That has to do with Williams... He's just saying that if the Sox hadn't signed him he'd be a free agent after this year. That's all I took from that. There's no criticism of management in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ May 28, 2006 -> 11:48 PM) I still think we are going to trade Garcia next offseason to free up a spot for McCarthy, probably for pitching prospect(s). Garcia will likely have the better season, he is considered more of a dominating pitcher than Garland, and he will only have one year left under contract. The Sox will use the money freed up by trading Garcia on an extension for Buehrle. As much as I hate watching Garcia pitch (he always gives me heart attacks), I've grown fond of him. I definitely think he'll have the better year this year, and will have more value on the market, but I think that the Sox are more likely to hold onto him and deal Garland to a team desperate for pitching, which there are plenty of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 Well since you got the reaction you wanted Felix and everyone's basically in agreeance, you can go back to Crash crashing and send your sig to KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 (edited) As much as I hate watching Garcia pitch (he always gives me heart attacks), I've grown fond of him. I definitely think he'll have the better year this year, and will have more value on the market, but I think that the Sox are more likely to hold onto him and deal Garland to a team desperate for pitching, which there are plenty of. Trust me, I'd rather have Garcia than Garland as well but the Sox will be better off selling high. Garcia will have the better season but he will only have one year left until free agency. Couple that with his declining fastball and he makes the most sense to trade. Trading Garland after an awful season wouldn't make much sense. Edited May 29, 2006 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ May 28, 2006 -> 11:52 PM) Well since you got the reaction you wanted Felix and everyone's basically in agreeance, you can go back to Crash crashing and send your sig to KW. Huh? I'm not allowed to have a sig that critical of Garland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 QUOTE(Felix @ May 28, 2006 -> 10:50 PM) As much as I hate watching Garcia pitch (he always gives me heart attacks), I've grown fond of him. I definitely think he'll have the better year this year, and will have more value on the market, but I think that the Sox are more likely to hold onto him and deal Garland to a team desperate for pitching, which there are plenty of. Even if Garland has a s*** year he'll still have much more trade value than Garcia. Garland is younger, less injury concernes and has better natural stuff. Garcia seriously seems to be the odd man out after this year, atleast as of right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 QUOTE(Felix @ May 28, 2006 -> 11:52 PM) Huh? I'm not allowed to have a sig that critical of Garland? I just don't get the JGINAA thing, since no one's ever deemed him such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 QUOTE(Felix @ May 28, 2006 -> 08:50 PM) As much as I hate watching Garcia pitch (he always gives me heart attacks), I've grown fond of him. I definitely think he'll have the better year this year, and will have more value on the market, but I think that the Sox are more likely to hold onto him and deal Garland to a team desperate for pitching, which there are plenty of. Put feelers out on both of them...see what bids they draw. Take the one that is the best deal considering all things, including the performance of both pitchers for the remainder of this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ May 28, 2006 -> 10:53 PM) I just don't get the JGINAA thing, since no one's ever deemed him such. coughNITEcough But really that is about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ May 28, 2006 -> 08:53 PM) I just don't get the JGINAA thing, since no one's ever deemed him such. He really tried to be early last year. Shame that he couldn't hold onto that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ May 28, 2006 -> 11:52 PM) Trust me, I'd rather have Garcia than Garland as well but the Sox will be better off selling high. Garcia will have the better season but he will only have one year left until free agency. Couple that with his declining fastball and he makes the most sense to trade. Trading Garland after an awful season wouldn't make much sense. I do agree with that, and I definitely see where you are coming from. I just think that the Sox will go with the pitcher that will give them the best chance to win (which I think is Garcia, even if he loses some MPH on his fastball) since they are trying to compete for the World Series again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 (edited) I do agree with that, and I definitely see where you are coming from. I just think that the Sox will go with the pitcher that will give them the best chance to win (which I think is Garcia, even if he loses some MPH on his fastball) since they are trying to compete for the World Series again. The Sox will stick with the guy who's locked up the longest. Guaranteed. Edited May 29, 2006 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 So how 'bout that Brian Anderson? He sure does suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 So how 'bout that Brian Anderson? He sure does suck. He couldn't hit a slow-pitch softball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 You know what we need? Someone to make a sig commanding Brian Anderson to rise from his grave to rescue the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ May 29, 2006 -> 12:00 AM) You know what we need? Someone to make a sig commanding Brian Anderson to rise from his grave to rescue the White Sox. Look above you. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ May 28, 2006 -> 09:02 PM) Look above you. :rolly I'm afraid I don't see what you're talking about, and I just scrolled back like 40 posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ May 28, 2006 -> 11:09 PM) I'm afraid I don't see what you're talking about, and I just scrolled back like 40 posts. I think he's just pointing out that SSH2005 is Jabroni and Jabroni is the one that made the Dye sig last year. But I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ May 29, 2006 -> 12:09 AM) I'm afraid I don't see what you're talking about, and I just scrolled back like 40 posts. The creator of the worse nicknames known to man and that lovely sig is responsible for the post above you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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