He's right.

 

Not really. He, again, had to go through the sorting out periods and let guys fall into their roles. It takes a while, but it's coming together now.

Not really. He, again, had to go through the sorting out periods and let guys fall into their roles. It takes a while, but it's coming together now.

 

Yeah, any manager would have had a tough time when there was only one reliable reliever. I think he's done a solid job with the bullpen.

Not really. He, again, had to go through the sorting out periods and let guys fall into their roles. It takes a while, but it's coming together now.

Since the day Ozzie got here he's been playing the matchups righty Vs right, lefty Vs lefty no matter what the stats say. Cotts has the ability to get righties out yet he tends to only face lefties. Riske is better against lefties than he is against righties and yet he'll probably prodominately face righies.

 

Yeah, any manager would have had a tough time when there was only one reliable reliever. I think he's done a solid job with the bullpen.

Not really this year, mainly the past 2.

Since the day Ozzie got here he's been playing the matchups righty Vs right, lefty Vs lefty no matter what the stats say. Cotts has the ability to get righties out yet he tends to only face lefties. Riske is better against lefties than he is against righties and yet he'll probably prodominately face righies.

Not really this year, mainly the past 2.

 

Difference of opinion. Such is life on a message board.

Since the day Ozzie got here he's been playing the matchups righty Vs right, lefty Vs lefty no matter what the stats say. Cotts has the ability to get righties out yet he tends to only face lefties. Riske is better against lefties than he is against righties and yet he'll probably prodominately face righies.

Not really this year, mainly the past 2.

Considering he had probably the best pen in baseball last year, I woud say he must have been good at using it. Also this year with only 1 or 2 reliable relievers, we are still up there as far as pens go. I would say those two things alone prove that Ozzie is good with the pen.

Considering he had probably the best pen in baseball last year, I woud say he must have been good at using it. Also this year with only 1 or 2 reliable relievers, we are still up there as far as pens go. I would say those two things alone prove that Ozzie is good with the pen.

I never said he sucks at using the pen, I think he's alright at how he used/uses his guys it's just annoying how he plays the percentages the majority of the time when the stats actually prove otherwise.

I never said he sucks at using the pen, I think he's alright at how he used/uses his guys it's just annoying how he plays the percentages the majority of the time when the stats actually prove otherwise.

Well, you agreed with RNW who inferred that Ozzie didnt know how to use his pen.

Although I hate Ozzie's obsession with the Lefty/Right matchup, I due enjoy his willingness to use Jenks in non-save situations. Ozzie seems to understand that a high leverage inning is a high leverage inning--regardless if the Sox are tied, up one, or down one.

 

For example, I believe in the 2nd 4-3 win against the Tigers, Ozzie brought Jenks into the game in the 8th although the Sox weren't winning. Jenks worked a quick inning and the rest is a White Sox winner.

 

I'd say Ozzie overall does a good job with the bullpen. It's one of his strong suits as a manager.

Well, you agreed with RNW who inferred that Ozzie didnt know how to use his pen.

Ick, I kind of agree, I felt the overall thought that Ozzie tends to play the matchups far too often in an attempt to have righties face righties and lefties face lefties which gets annoying but considering what he's had to work with he's done a fairly good job this year with the exception of how he's handled McCarthy.

 

Also, you have to admit the way he used Cotts early in the year to start off the 9th instead of going to Jenks right away was just ridiculously stupid.

Although I hate Ozzie's obsession with the Lefty/Right matchup, I due enjoy his willingness to use Jenks in non-save situations. Ozzie seems to understand that a high leverage inning is a high leverage inning--regardless if the Sox are tied, up one, or down one.

 

For example, I believe in the 2nd 4-3 win against the Tigers, Ozzie brought Jenks into the game in the 8th although the Sox weren't winning. Jenks worked a quick inning and the rest is a White Sox winner.

 

I'd say Ozzie overall does a good job with the bullpen. It's one of his strong suits as a manager.

I agree with you, and I will add one little piece that I like about the situation. He quickly finds out if the pitcher can pitch for him or not. Throwing Logan into his pressure situations proved that he cannot handle the majors yet. Putting Jenks into save situations last year, and letting him succeed was a huge positive. He likes to find out what he has as quickly as possible. Case in point: Nelson on the DL. I wouldnt be surprised to see Riske putting in some work tonight.

 

Ick, I kind of agree, I felt the overall thought that Ozzie tends to play the matchups far too often in an attempt to have righties face righties and lefties face lefties which gets annoying but considering what he's had to work with he's done a fairly good job this year with the exception of how he's handled McCarthy.

 

Also, you have to admit the way he used Cotts early in the year to start off the 9th instead of going to Jenks right away was just ridiculously stupid.

Ill agree with you there, some of the moves when he favors matchups reek of Dusty Baker. But he also knows when to put his best arm in the game. I think he has figured out what BMAC will give him, and I think part of his indecision to start the year was the question of whether BMAC could prepare correctly and come out of the pen for an inning or two a night. I think he has let him adjust, and it has worked out lately.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That's absolutely awful.

Whats awful is the false, and just downright wrong information RockRaines was giving out in the 'Ab Workouts' thread from last week.

I've made it clear numerous times what I think about Ozzie Guillen. He's a horrible in-game manager in my opinion. No pot shot, It's just what I think.

 

Keep coming with the snide remarks, or you can continue to give Steff and others information on how to become anorexic. Your choice.

 

Maybe his first season but he has gotten steadily better since his first season..... maybe you should watch more sox and i say the word sox games in general.

I've made it clear numerous times what I think about Ozzie Guillen. He's a horrible in-game manager in my opinion. No pot shot, It's just what I think.

 

Keep coming with the snide remarks, or you can continue to give Steff and others information on how to become anorexic. Your choice.

Is Terry Francona the best then?

QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Is Terry Francona the best then?

No, Terry Francona is a real flawed manager. Case in point: this trade.

Whats awful is the false, and just downright wrong information RockRaines was giving out in the 'Ab Workouts' thread from last week.

Go away dude, you couldnt even read the thread to know who I was giving info to. Reading is fundamental. If you would ever like to compare physique's or fitness levels with me, im game.

 

Maybe his first season but he has gotten steadily better since his first season..... maybe you should watch more sox and i say the word sox games in general.

At least Ozzie cant hear his criticisms, he had two World Series rings plugging his ears.

The point you bring up about Cotts starting the 9th: I can't stand that either. If Jenks is your best pitcher, and he clearly is, then LET HIM START THE 9th.

 

Too many times I've seen Jenks come on with a runner on because Thornton/Cotts/Politte/Logan/Tracey/Nelson put a runner on to start the inning.

 

Just let Jenks always start the 9th in a close ballgame.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Go away dude, you couldnt even read the thread to know who I was giving info to. Reading is fundamental. If you would ever like to compare physique's or fitness levels with me, im game.

At least Ozzie cant hear his criticisms, he had two World Series rings plugging his ears.

 

It's over and done with, but don't think I'm not going to bring that embarrassing stuff up when you call me out in a thread that needed no such doing.

 

...And I suppose I'm game aswell.

It's over and done with, but don't think I'm not going to bring that embarrassing stuff up when you call me out in a thread that needed no such doing.

 

...And I suppose I'm game aswell.

Yes, you are a beast, who wouldnt take fitness advice from this specimen.

 

 

be gone.

As a sophomore in High School at Spring Training? You got me, ha.

 

EDIT: I never claimed to be a beast either, but I am much more knowledgable than you are on the topic.

Edited June 16, 200619 yr by redandwhite

"Hey, kid, are you walking or working?"

So, what was the point of calling out redandwhite in this thread? Oh yeah, thats right, there is no point.

 

Grow up guys. Both of you could be 5'5 and weigh 300 pounds, so who the f*** cares. There is no point in assuming redandwhite would defend the trade from the Red Sox stand point. He made his opinion clear, get off his f***ing back.

So, what was the point of calling out redandwhite in this thread? Oh yeah, thats right, there is no point.

 

Grow up guys. Both of you could be 5'5 and weigh 300 pounds, so who the f*** cares. There is no point in assuming redandwhite would defend the trade from the Red Sox stand point. He made his opinion clear, get off his f***ing back.

 

oh oh jr has come in and taken leadership

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

There is no point in assuming redandwhite would defend the trade from the Red Sox stand point. He made his opinion clear, get off his f***ing back.

 

I was applauding Kenny Williams and the White Sox for making this low risk/high reward deal. The fact that I am not an Ozzie Guillen fan, in terms of his in-game managerial skills, should be a non-factor.

Whats awful is the false, and just downright wrong information RockRaines was giving out in the 'Ab Workouts' thread from last week.

You mean this Soxfan? Sounds like a personal remark that had no relevance in the thread at all. This is what started it.

oh oh jr has come in and taken leadership

Haha. I'm just trying to be the peaceful voice. There's no point in ganging up on redandwhite. Yes, he is a fan of both teams. That doesn't make his opinion any less important than anyone elses.