Wedge Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Maybe it's time to accept that this team has a totally different identity/make-up from last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 02:15 PM) Yes, but it's also painfully clear that they're still the #4 starting staff in the AL despite all those problems. And it'd be pretty hard for them to do worse in the 2nd half than they did in the first. Who are 1, 2, and 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 02:15 PM) Yes, but it's also painfully clear that they're still the #4 starting staff in the AL despite all those problems. And it'd be pretty hard for them to do worse in the 2nd half than they did in the first. Definitely..and name a 4 man rotation that you would rather have going in to the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 07:16 PM) How are you not? What has he done to make us believe otherwise? McCarthy grew up a starter, and it's hard to convert. And don't give me that "Cotts did it" crap, because, yes, it can happen, but its VERY hard. And as a filler for the bullpen, we could trade some prospects to the Cubs for one of their good relievers. Maybe Hermanson will come back strong? I don't know. From the day it was announced, I argued that McCarthy's pitch repetoire wasn't suited for the bullpen. He's unable to keep a good feel for his offspeed stuff out of the bullpen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 03:16 PM) YER DAMN RIGHT!!!! He's gonna top 50 easily this season barring injury. ::knocks on wood for the board:: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 QUOTE(Wedge @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 02:17 PM) Maybe it's time to accept that this team has a totally different identity/make-up from last season? We defenitely rely more on our offense to win games this year but that panic in the streets attitude by some around here is totally laughable. Did any of you guys honestly expect the staff to repeat last years performance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 QUOTE(BFirebird @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 02:17 PM) Definitely..and name a 4 man rotation that you would rather have going in to the playoffs? Clemens, Oswalt, Pettite, Backe? Had to say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 12:17 PM) Who are 1, 2, and 3? Detroit comes in at #1 (their pitchers are still putting up Historic numbers). LA Angels are 2, Oakland at 3. Seattle at 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(BFirebird @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 07:17 PM) Definitely..and name a 4 man rotation that you would rather have going in to the playoffs? Santana, Liriano, Radke, whoever Zito, Haren, Harden, Blanton Edited July 8, 2006 by fathom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox It To Em Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Freddy no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 QUOTE(Wedge @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 02:17 PM) Maybe it's time to accept that this team has a totally different identity/make-up from last season? That's fine but then we're back to being 2000-2004 White Sox. Thank God Ozzie took Garcia out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 02:16 PM) How are you not? What has he done to make us believe otherwise? McCarthy grew up a starter, and it's hard to convert. And don't give me that "Cotts did it" crap, because, yes, it can happen, but its VERY hard. That doesn't mean he would go out and dominate. A few good starts last year doesn't make him a sure thing. And as a filler for the bullpen, we could trade some prospects to the Cubs for one of their good relievers. Maybe Hermanson will come back strong? I don't know. We would need more than a filler if we moved B-mac to the rotation. I'm not holding my breath on Hermanson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Riske Buisness is in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 02:16 PM) How are you not? What has he done to make us believe otherwise? McCarthy grew up a starter, and it's hard to convert. And don't give me that "Cotts did it" crap, because, yes, it can happen, but its VERY hard. And as a filler for the bullpen, we could trade some prospects to the Cubs for one of their good relievers. Maybe Hermanson will come back strong? I don't know. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ just get rid of javy. ill trade him for an 8th inning guy, damn. jus get rid of his salary and get someone else. btw, riske is good, but hes not an 8th inning guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 02:15 PM) Yes, but it's also painfully clear that they're still the #4 starting staff in the AL despite all those problems. And it'd be pretty hard for them to do worse in the 2nd half than they did in the first. Freddy sucks. He can't even throw hard anymore! Garland sucks. And, haven't you ever seen his demeanor? He doesn't care about the team winning or losing! Buehrle is starting to suck. Haven't you seen enough?! Vazquez is nuts, and not even the good Zambrano kind! And Contreras? Cut him before he reverts to New York form. Blow the team up. Except the offense. Well, Uribe too. And while we're at it, we need Ken Griffey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 02:15 PM) thats what i said, his era is 4.82, he was good in the nl. guess what, the nl f'n sux. i would still trade javy for beckett though, not that its gunna happen. Do you think the Red Sox are happy that their #2 starter has an ERA quickly approaching 5? People need to realize how spoiled we became last year with the pitching. Like I said with Garland all year, there was no way he was going to pitch like he did for the first 2 or 3 months of the season all year long, and now he is coming around. Freddy won't come around until he wants to, and it seems like Vaz is the same way. Down the stretch, I would be shocked if they continue to be mediocre pitchers with 5 ERAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 02:18 PM) We defenitely rely more on our offense to win games this year but that panic in the streets attitude by some around here is totally laughable. Did any of you guys honestly expect the staff to repeat last years performance? No, I did not expect them to repeat that. But I didn't expect them to suck as horribly as they are right now. 80% have an ERA over 4.00 80%!!! Terrible, considering 40% is over 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 02:18 PM) Santana, Liriano, Radke, whoever got me on that one...but the twins probably won't make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Let's say it this way: our starting pitching and offense have swapped roles from last season. Fortunately, the bullpen has been fairly similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 QUOTE(BFirebird @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 02:17 PM) Definitely..and name a 4 man rotation that you would rather have going in to the playoffs? After what that exact same crew did last season I certainly cant. These guys are money when the chips are down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 It is shocking Ozzie lifts FG in a tie game in the 6th. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 12:17 PM) From the day it was announced, I argued that McCarthy's pitch repetoire wasn't suited for the bullpen. He's unable to keep a good feel for his offspeed stuff out of the bullpen. You're correct, but that doesn't mean it was the wrong thing to do this season...to put him in the bullpen, limit his innings, let him continue to face big league pitching, and let his arm develop more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 QUOTE(Sox It To Em @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 02:19 PM) Freddy no more. That would be a great name for a band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 02:18 PM) Santana, Liriano, Radke, whoever ^^^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 02:18 PM) Detroit comes in at #1 (their pitchers are still putting up Historic numbers). LA Angels are 2, Oakland at 3. Seattle at 5. I don't take solace in the fact that 2 of the other playoff teams have better starters than we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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