sox-r-us Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 I know every time we talk about Garcia, Buerhle, people always bring up how they are basically 1 yr rentals who will be FAs next year. In order to give an idea to everyone on who the top FA pitchers are next year, and hence what kind of market there would be for someone like Garcia or Buerhle (both of who are far younger than RJ, Schilling, Smoltz), can we pin this for reference to all while the hot stove continues for the next month or so? (And if there are some key ones missing, feel free to add of course, or remove if some get signed long term): Carlos Zambrano John Smoltz Mark Buehrle Jason Jennings Freddy Garcia Doug Davis Curt Schilling Randy Johnson Jon Lieber Jake Westbrook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 I don't think there's anyway the Cubs allow Carlos Zambrano to hit the open market, though it would definately be best for him if he did. Imagine the killing he could make in free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 01:19 AM) I don't think there's anyway the Cubs allow Carlos Zambrano to hit the open market, though it would definately be best for him if he did. Imagine the killing he could make in free agency. If he ever hit free agency, he's a player I'd want the Sox to throw billions of dollars at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 01:24 AM) If he ever hit free agency, he's a player I'd want the Sox to throw billions of dollars at. I would have to agree with you on that one, I believe he's right up there with Johan talent wise (nowhere near as smart of a pitcher however) and if he could harness his stuff, fine tune his control and calm the f*** down he should win some hardware in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 01:24 AM) If he ever hit free agency, he's a player I'd want the Sox to throw billions of dollars at. But they wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchtower41 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 01:24 AM) If he ever hit free agency, he's a player I'd want the Sox to throw billions of dollars at. Where there is no way that I can't deny that he is an absolute horse, and ace of most any staff.... I wouldnt want him anywhere close to the Southside. Much along the same lines as Freddy, he puts his stats and himself well before any team achievement. If a CF misplays a ball, I don't want 3 walks and 5 unearned runs to follow just because of lost concentration and frustration over teammates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(watchtower41 @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 03:41 PM) Where there is no way that I can't deny that he is an absolute horse, and ace of most any staff.... I wouldnt want him anywhere close to the Southside. Much along the same lines as Freddy, he puts his stats and himself well before any team achievement. If a CF misplays a ball, I don't want 3 walks and 5 unearned runs to follow just because of lost concentration and frustration over teammates. He's a psycho and a douche bag, but I don't care. The guy is one of the best pitchers in all of baseball and is still young. Like I said, I'd throw billions at him. Edited December 8, 2006 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 The guy is a big game pitcher and a horse. Is he even 26 yet? If Petitte can get $16M for one year, Zambrano will get well over $20M. He could rival A-Rod with the goofiness of his contract. Say what you want but he could be the best pitcher in baseball bar none by the end of this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 04:10 PM) The guy is a big game pitcher and a horse. Is he even 26 yet? If Petitte can get $16M for one year, Zambrano will get well over $20M. He could rival A-Rod with the goofiness of his contract. Say what you want but he could be the best pitcher in baseball bar none by the end of this season. That belongs to Santana and will for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted December 8, 2006 Author Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 10:10 PM) The guy is a big game pitcher and a horse. Is he even 26 yet? If Petitte can get $16M for one year, Zambrano will get well over $20M. He could rival A-Rod with the goofiness of his contract. Say what you want but he could be the best pitcher in baseball bar none by the end of this season. Easy now. I will take Santana and the Toronto ace before him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 05:10 PM) The guy is a big game pitcher and a horse. Is he even 26 yet? If Petitte can get $16M for one year, Zambrano will get well over $20M. He could rival A-Rod with the goofiness of his contract. Say what you want but he could be the best pitcher in baseball bar none by the end of this season. If all these guys hit the market next year, I could see the contracts becoming realistic again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Carlos Zambrano fears the DH. Look at his career numbers in AL parks. He's terrible. He's great and all, but part of his game is walking or hitting batters to face the defensive-minded catcher with a .200 AVG batting 8th, and then the gimmie out in the pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 05:07 PM) Carlos Zambrano fears the DH. Look at his career numbers in AL parks. He's terrible. He's great and all, but part of his game is walking or hitting batters to face the defensive-minded catcher with a .200 AVG batting 8th, and then the gimmie out in the pitcher. I think he'd be able to adjust to life in the AL if/when he matures mentally, but who knows when that could happen, if ever? Also keep in mind that he started to have a few injury issues last year (back and arm). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawnhillegas Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 You guys are crazy. Kerry Wood is much better than Zambrano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 If Zambrano does resign with the Cubs, he better take them for every penny and not leave any money on the table elsewhere. I'm talking at least 5-6 years at $17-20 per season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 08:30 PM) If Zambrano does resign with the Cubs, he better take them for every penny and not leave any money on the table elsewhere. I'm talking at least 5-6 years at $17-20 per season. It was in the Trib a few weeks back that Zambrano would be looking for a 6 year $15M ($90M) per deal which really doesn't make sense to me. Zambrano could easily get a larger contract than Zito from someone next offseason, why would he settle for any less than a $110M contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 02:24 AM) If he ever hit free agency, he's a player I'd want the Sox to throw billions of dollars at. Or they could toss it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Ozzie Guillen was Zambrano's idle growing up in Venezuala. Since it seems like they are saving there pennies this offseason, maybe they can attempt to bring Zambrano across town?!? And if they re-sign Buerhle our rotation would be awesome! Where would the money come from? Well from saving money this offseason AND not re-signing J. Dye and probably trading Vazquez during NEXT offseason. Buerhle, Zambrano, Garland, Contreras, McCarthy..... niiiicce! okay so it wont happen and there is a very good chance buerhle leaves! DAMN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 02:19 AM) I don't think there's anyway the Cubs allow Carlos Zambrano to hit the open market, though it would definately be best for him if he did. Imagine the killing he could make in free agency. He could hire someone to surf the internet for p0rn, for him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosox41 Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 08:41 PM) It was in the Trib a few weeks back that Zambrano would be looking for a 6 year $15M ($90M) per deal which really doesn't make sense to me. Zambrano could easily get a larger contract than Zito from someone next offseason, why would he settle for any less than a $110M contract? He won't. The article was written a few weeks ago before the market really became insane. Also, it was written in the Trib. What better way to make Zambrano look selfish then to throw a number out there and then watch him ask for a ton more. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 I would actually like Westbrook alot out of that group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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