Bubba Philips Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 I would say that outfielders are the most common comodity in mlb. True centerfielders that can hit, field and throw are more of a rarity. Anderson could do 2 out of 3. Here is the question.. with many teams that are deep in outfield talent and I believe we maybe deep enough in pitching prospects to lure away one of these outfielders. What trade would you propose.? Remembering that a better pitching prospect or reliever would get you a better major league ready outfielder. Who could we get reasonalbly aquire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 OK....I'll play along... Lance Broadway, Logan and BA for Rocco Baldelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 QUOTE(Wanne @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 02:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> OK....I'll play along... Lance Broadway, Logan and BA for Rocco Baldelli  If that is all it takes then why isn't this deal done already. We are in obvious need of a quality OFer/leadoff/2 hitter and all it takes is Broadway, Logan, and BA? What the hell are we waiting for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 QUOTE(Wanne @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 02:08 AM) OK....I'll play along... Lance Broadway, Logan and BA for Rocco Baldelli With the premium already established for pitchers, why would it take 2, plus BA, to make that deal? Besides, I don't think they would want BA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 08:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> With the premium already established for pitchers, why would it take 2, plus BA, to make that deal? Besides, I don't think they would want BA. Â I don't think they would want him either, but who is the best player in this deal? Wouldn't you say Baldelli is? I would. Since that is the case the White Sox are getting the better end of it. I would give up all of those players for Baldelli. What is stopping this from happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 08:10 AM) I don't think they would want him either, but who is the best player in this deal? Wouldn't you say Baldelli is? I would. Since that is the case the White Sox are getting the better end of it. I would give up all of those players for Baldelli. What is stopping this from happening? Â One, they probably have no interest in BA at this point. He has to prove SOMETHING at Charlotte. Â Two, Baldelli is injured again, not sure if he's on the DL or not, but he's always getting little nagging injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 08:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> One, they probably have no interest in BA at this point. He has to prove SOMETHING at Charlotte. Two, Baldelli is injured again, not sure if he's on the DL or not, but he's always getting little nagging injuries.  1 - then place someone else in that deal instead of Anderson - who cares.  2 - Baldelli played yesterday as far as I know. I believe he hit a HR. He had a bruised knee, nothing serious.  GET'ER DONE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 08:28 AM) 1 - then place someone else in that deal instead of Anderson - who cares. Â 2 - Baldelli played yesterday as far as I know. I believe he hit a HR. He had a bruised knee, nothing serious. Â GET'ER DONE! Â Â If you're the D-Rays, you reject BA as part of the deal. You ask for either Fields or Sweeney. At that point, KW is likely to say no, and there's no deal. Â You can't or probably shouldn't trade Sweeney OR Fields, Logan and Broadway for Rocco Baldelli, because Baldelli's not nearly the caliber of player that Crawford is...and we need what Crawford can do in LF (assuming Pods is "iffy" for the rest of the season) than to replace Erstad. Â It's a lot cheaper to go out and get a full-time 1B/DH type of player than Rocco Baldelli. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 Langerhans was traded to the A's this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 08:35 AM) If you're the D-Rays, you reject BA as part of the deal. You ask for either Fields or Sweeney. At that point, KW is likely to say no, and there's no deal. You can't or probably shouldn't trade Sweeney OR Fields, Logan and Broadway for Rocco Baldelli, because Baldelli's not nearly the caliber of player that Crawford is...and we need what Crawford can do in LF (assuming Pods is "iffy" for the rest of the season) than to replace Erstad.  It's a lot cheaper to go out and get a full-time 1B/DH type of player than Rocco Baldelli. why would the rays want sweeney or BA. the reason they want to trade baldelli is because they have too many of'ers and hes the most expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitlesswonder Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 09:20 AM) why would the rays want sweeney or BA. the reason they want to trade baldelli is because they have too many of'ers and hes the most expensive. Â The DRays would want 3 young pitchers. They don't need position playesrs. They would ask for a closer , I'm guessing MacDougal or Jenks, a younger relief arm like Aardsma/Sisco/Logan, and a good starting pospect like Gonzalez. Baldelli's contract is a dream and in the offsseason the DRays wanted Saltallamachia, Yunel Escobar, and Chuck James for him. It might not take a package that good, but something close to it to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 09:36 AM) The DRays would want 3 young pitchers. They don't need position playesrs. They would ask for a closer , I'm guessing MacDougal or Jenks, a younger relief arm like Aardsma/Sisco/Logan, and a good starting pospect like Gonzalez. Baldelli's contract is a dream and in the offsseason the DRays wanted Saltallamachia, Yunel Escobar, and Chuck James for him. It might not take a package that good, but something close to it to get him. Â They would want at least one ML ready arm to go along with Kazmir. I think any deal would have to include a young starter, or someone who can start. So, it would have to include Danks or Masset and I'm not giving up either one of those. So until the D-Rays get their collective heads out of their arse all of their players are staying put. At least not coming to the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan3530 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 HAHAH. How did i know when i looked at the title of this thread that it would be a bring rocco here thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 10:47 AM) They would want at least one ML ready arm to go along with Kazmir. I think any deal would have to include a young starter, or someone who can start. So, it would have to include Danks or Masset and I'm not giving up either one of those. So until the D-Rays get their collective heads out of their arse all of their players are staying put. At least not coming to the Sox. Â Â They would ask for Gio 50 times before they would ask for Masset... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 People here all want better hitting but they don't want to give up any of the top pitching prospects or players to get it. If KW thinks the same way this is all a bunch of crap that will never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 09:36 AM) The DRays would want 3 young pitchers. They don't need position playesrs. They would ask for a closer , I'm guessing MacDougal or Jenks, a younger relief arm like Aardsma/Sisco/Logan, and a good starting pospect like Gonzalez. Baldelli's contract is a dream and in the offsseason the DRays wanted Saltallamachia, Yunel Escobar, and Chuck James for him. It might not take a package that good, but something close to it to get him. Â Â Dude...we're talking Rocco Baldelli....not Vernon Wells. He's good...but not giving up the farm good for god's sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 QUOTE(Wanne @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 11:58 AM) Dude...we're talking Rocco Baldelli....not Vernon Wells. He's good...but not giving up the farm good for god's sake. Â Â Therein lies the dilemma. The D-Rays don't HAVE to trade him, no other team HAS to give up the farm to get him, because he's not a superstar level of player...not even Carl Crawford. So they sit on a depreciating asset and the rest of baseball waits for the price to come down to a more reasonable level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 QUOTE(Wanne @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 09:58 AM) Dude...we're talking Rocco Baldelli....not Vernon Wells. He's good...but not giving up the farm good for god's sake. But...because he's still quite cheap, the D-Rays have very little motivation to trade him until they find someone willing to give up the farm. They can run with an OF of Baldelli, Crawford, and one of their other young OF's until someone is willing to meet their price...and their price is similar to what they got in the Kazmir deal. They've done exactly the same thing for years now. They'd rather hold onto people and wait for the right deal than make a deal too early. It cost them with Huff, but it's also helping keep their expenses low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 Baldelli is a good player, but his price is too high. Want a bigger injury risk than Scott Podsednik? Rocco is your man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 Robeto, Sandy alomar please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchtower41 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 Screw Baldelli, I'm willing to bet we could go get Freel for cheap from Cincy right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 QUOTE(watchtower41 @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 10:52 AM) Screw Baldelli, I'm willing to bet we could go get Freel for cheap from Cincy right now. Yeah, because signing a new, affordable contract usually drives guys' value through the floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchtower41 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 12:53 PM) Yeah, because signing a new, affordable contract usually drives guys' value through the floor. Â Â I'm sure the Reds use the same reasoning when they start him every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 05:20 PM) Baldelli is a good player, but his price is too high. Want a bigger injury risk than Scott Podsednik? Rocco is your man. Â Â I am again amazed at the willingness of our fans to undervalue our own players. Pods is now more more of an injury risk than Thome. They'll both be back soon enough to help win a championship. No need to panic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 06:41 PM) I am again amazed at the willingness of our fans to undervalue our own players. Pods is now more more of an injury risk than Thome. They'll both be back soon enough to help win a championship. No need to panic  You don't consider Pods to be an injury risk now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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