NorthSideSox72 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 My first game thread this year. Woo and Hoo. I do hope for a solid Danks outing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Oh great...the legend of Paul Byrd...the only man to even slow down the White Sox in the playoffs in 05... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 04:02 PM) Oh great...the legend of Paul Byrd...the only man to even slow down the White Sox in the playoffs in 05... Another expert in Maysiology, the science of low and away. Overly aggresive hitters and pull hitters are pawns of those who practice Maysiology. Founder Joe Mays and his breakthrough theorums of if my 87 mph fastball is spotted low and away, they cannot resist the urge to rip and jack it out of the park, only to find that the ball bounces nicely to the 3rd baseman and shortstop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Cleveland Grady Sizemore CF .275 Asdrubal Cabrera 2B .316 Travis Hafner DH .253 Ryan Garko 1B .291 Jhonny Peralta SS .270 Franklin Gutierrez RF .270 Jason Michaels LF .268 Casey Blake 3B .266 Kelly Shoppach C .275 Paul Byrd (14-6, 4.34) Chicago WSox Jerry Owens CF .248 Scott Podsednik LF .260 Jim Thome DH .271 Paul Konerko 1B .260 Jermaine Dye RF .252 Juan Uribe SS .224 Danny Richar 2B .202 Andy Gonzalez 3B .200 Donny Lucy C .500 John Danks (6-13, 5.41) Umpires: HP: Rob Drake. 1B: Gerry Davis. 2B: Brian Gorman. 3B: Paul Nauert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 No Darin Erstad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Danks give up a homer in the top of the second to Garko. How many homers has he given up a million this year? Floyd at 3 million allowed. We have a runner is scoring position (Pods with a single and a SB) but our big guns can't do anything of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Man it seems like I haven't seen one of Danks' real good hooks in a long time. He's going to need that pitch if he wants to be successful. His fastball/changeup combo is okay but certainly not good enough to get by without an accomanying third pitch (breaking ball). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 12, 2007 -> 12:53 AM) Man it seems like I haven't seen one of Danks' real good hooks in a long time. He's going to need that pitch if he wants to be successful. His fastball/changeup combo is okay but certainly not good enough to get by without an accomanying third pitch (breaking ball). I just don't see it with Danks. His fastball is nowhere near what I thought it was going to be, and he's wild in the strike zone. I'm not even sure you can count on him as a #5 next year, but I know he'll probably be our 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 With Tampa winning and Florida in a close game, how ironic would it be if we go into sole possession of last place in baseball today on the day we extend Ozzie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 07:57 PM) I just don't see it with Danks. His fastball is nowhere near what I thought it was going to be, and he's wild in the strike zone. I'm not even sure you can count on him as a #5 next year, but I know he'll probably be our 4. Oh come on. The kid is completely spent. He is up a year early. I bet we see him shave at least a run off this ERA next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 12, 2007 -> 12:57 AM) I just don't see it with Danks. His fastball is nowhere near what I thought it was going to be, and he's wild in the strike zone. I'm not even sure you can count on him as a #5 next year, but I know he'll probably be our 4. You could make the argument that Danks should've been in AAA this season. He's been better than the average #5 this season. I don't see the #2 starter that people were talking about when Danks was dominating back in May, but I can see him being a left-handed Jon Garland (sans the 2005 season) for several seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 12, 2007 -> 12:58 AM) Oh come on. The kid is completely spent. He is up a year early. I bet we see him shave at least a run off this ERA next year. He has got to learn a cut fastball. A 90 mph straight fastball won't cut it in the Cell. You and I have talked at length about how bad his mechanics got once May went by the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitlesswonder Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 07:57 PM) I just don't see it with Danks. His fastball is nowhere near what I thought it was going to be, and he's wild in the strike zone. I'm not even sure you can count on him as a #5 next year, but I know he'll probably be our 4. I think the truth is that he isn't very good. He doesn't have much stuff and his control is actually pretty bad. I'll admit I know squat about pitching (hence starting the post with "I think") but his mechanics look terrible. He flies all over the place. Scouts said his ceiling was a #3, but I don't see him ever being more than a fringe major leaguer. He just doesn't have the raw stuff to do it, or the control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 It has been a battle for Danks for at least the last month. 76 pitches in 2 and 2/3 tonight and he was all over the place. He is not attacking the strike zone at all. The tv guys were talking about how many balls seem to go off Richar's glove and they commented how he kind of short arms when he needs to dive for a ball, stating Richar should have knocked Hafner's base hit down at least. I would agree with them, it is something he needs to be better at. As for Danks, I think not only is he spent but he's confused and lacking confidence and slightly askew mechanically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Excellent analysis on Richar, Poplar. He is able to get in a good position with his quickness, but he just doesn't make the plays that should be made. It's one of the reasons I said his defense has been nowhere near as good as some on this board think it's been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 07:00 PM) He has got to learn a cut fastball. A 90 mph straight fastball won't cut it in the Cell. You and I have talked at length about how bad his mechanics got once May went by the board. its all about command with danks, to me...a cutter would certainly be a weapon.....but right now to me theres really no difference in stuff between danks and lets say rich hill or even sean marshall......while those guys havent been great for the cubs, they have been very solid for young pitchers......the thing is those guys both command their curve balls much better than danks, which, at least for hill, allows him to climb the latter and get the high strikeout with his 92 mph heater on another note i really hope this late season power surge (as he had last year) doesn't fool KW or ozzie into thinking he should be the starting SS next year.....not that there are that many options...just sayin Edited September 12, 2007 by daa84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(daa84 @ Sep 12, 2007 -> 01:08 AM) its all about command with danks, to me...a cutter would certainly be a weapon.....but right now to me theres really no difference in stuff between danks and lets say rich hill or even sean marshall......while those guys havent been great for the cubs, they have been very solid for young pitchers......the thing is those guys both command their curve balls much better than danks, which, at least for hill, allows him to climb the latter and get the high strikeout with his 92 mph heater Like you said....Hill probably gets as many swings and misses on his fastball, which is around 92 mph, than pitchers who are throwing 98 and 99 mph. It's because he gets them sitting on the big, slow hook, and then he throws the high fastball past him. However, Hill is a real bad pitcher when he doesn't have that command, and throws his fastball down in the zone. Hopefully Danks develops, as I'm definitely not giving up on him. I think I was just expecting more as the season went on, especially due to how he's developed over the course of seasons in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitlesswonder Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 08:06 PM) It has been a battle for Danks for at least the last month. 76 pitches in 2 and 2/3 tonight and he was all over the place. He is not attacking the strike zone at all. I think it's been more than month...his control and (I think) mechanics have bad since prior to the ASB. If there was one guy Cooper should be earning his money fixing, it's Danks given what the Sox traded to get him. I haven't seen any significant changes. If they aren't going to do anything with him, they should just shut him down. I do agree that the Sox being a terrible defensive team does not him in the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Excellent analysis on Richar, Poplar. He is able to get in a good position with his quickness, but he just doesn't make the plays that should be made. It's one of the reasons I said his defense has been nowhere near as good as some on this board think it's been. He is a young guy who theoretically should improve and they are giving him an extended shot. I think they need a Mark Loretta type at 2B next year to pair with him, at a minimum. I see some good things but would not say I'm terribly impressed with any aspect of his game. But again, he is green so hopefully he will make progress. Danks mound presence was disconcerting to me. He looked like "get me out of here". I hate hammering young players but some of these guys worry me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 07:10 PM) Like you said....Hill probably gets as many swings and misses on his fastball, which is around 92 mph, than pitchers who are throwing 98 and 99 mph. It's because he gets them sitting on the big, slow hook, and then he throws the high fastball past him. However, Hill is a real bad pitcher when he doesn't have that command, and throws his fastball down in the zone. Hopefully Danks develops, as I'm definitely not giving up on him. I think I was just expecting more as the season went on, especially due to how he's developed over the course of seasons in his career. yeah i def. agree, i think we got a little spoiled with danks' early outings, and quite frankly i didnt think hed slide like this...he had a good K rate early, and if anything was about unlucky with the defense we provided him...i mean the thing with danks is that hes so young still....hes really only a year older than garland when garland came into the league, and he has alreayd proven that he at least has the ability to pitch well in the majors....i think when he started off so hot, i foolishly expected a mark buerhle-esque debut where he would come up, succeed, and succeed consistently right away, which the reality is that that just isnt the norm for young pitchers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 broadway has given up a few flyballs that were just missed, but i must admit, ive been more impressed with his stuff so far than i thought i would ....good movement and a changeup that if he can gain command of looks like a decent pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 florida winning tampa winning worst record in baseball is in sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 I know he has a two rbi single, but why are the Sox so scared of Hafner? His OPS against the Sox coming into this game was almost as low as Jerry Owens' season OPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Nice job by Broadway, he definitely has a feel for pitching and is composed out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 07:39 PM) Nice job by Broadway, he definitely has a feel for pitching and is composed out there. hes thrown a few changeups that have really impressed me, i thought it was a fringe type pitch, with his curve and fastball being bread and butter, but he has shown a good change if he can command it, and nice movement on the fastball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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