Dick Allen Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 AAA pitching coach becomes bullpen coach. I like the move. I really think you need another pitching coach in the bullpen these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 I like it in the fact that he's helped alot of our young pitchers who may be with us next year, Wasserman, Jenks, Broadway, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 I love it. Juan is a great guy and has a great relationship with the players. He should be great and don't be surprised if he replaces Coop at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 QUOTE(bigruss22 @ Oct 20, 2007 -> 04:07 PM) I like it in the fact that he's helped alot of our young pitchers who may be with us next year, Wasserman, Jenks, Broadway, etc. I don't care who our bullpen coach is. It's not going to make a difference one way or the other... But I'm not going to attach his name to the successes(?) of a few minor league guys. Was he in B'ham in '05? Otherwise I don't know how he gets any credit for Jenks. As for Wasserman, he was coming off consecutive seasons of holding righties to a .500 OPS. He's been the same pitcher for the last three seasons, the Sox just had to overlook his stuff and start to look at his success against righties. Also, I don't know if you want to give him credit for helping Broadway become one of the walkingest (yes, that's a word) pitchers in the minors. Again, I have no problem with the promotion. I just think it's silly to attach his name to the skills of the minor leaguers he's been lucky enough to have under his tutelage. I don't think he's even the best pitching coach in the Sox minor leagues. Perdew is the name you hear from pitchers within the organization when prompted. In the last two years, I've heard Eggy, Russell, and Harrell all rave about Perdew. Not that praise from players necessarily indicates great coaching (see: Walker, Greg), but Perdew has seen the career arcs of these players rise dramatically under his guidance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Oct 20, 2007 -> 04:57 PM) I don't care who our bullpen coach is. It's not going to make a difference one way or the other... But I'm not going to attach his name to the successes(?) of a few minor league guys. Was he in B'ham in '05? Otherwise I don't know how he gets any credit for Jenks. As for Wasserman, he was coming off consecutive seasons of holding righties to a .500 OPS. He's been the same pitcher for the last three seasons, the Sox just had to overlook his stuff and start to look at his success against righties. Also, I don't know if you want to give him credit for helping Broadway become one of the walkingest (yes, that's a word) pitchers in the minors. Again, I have no problem with the promotion. I just think it's silly to attach his name to the skills of the minor leaguers he's been lucky enough to have under his tutelage. I don't think he's even the best pitching coach in the Sox minor leagues. Perdew is the name you hear from pitchers within the organization when prompted. In the last two years, I've heard Eggy, Russell, and Harrell all rave about Perdew. Not that praise from players necessarily indicates great coaching (see: Walker, Greg), but Perdew has seen the career arcs of these players rise dramatically under his guidance. Perdew is good at working with young pitchers, as was Curt Hasler. Nieves' strength is the mental part of pitching. I don't care about the names of pitchers he may or may not have helped because no one on here (besides possibly me) has any direct knowledge of how he interacts with his pitchers and what he brings to the table. I will say that Nieves is very well respected and more than once have other organization's asked the Sox for permission to talk to him about jobs and the Sox have told them no, not while he is under contract with them. In fact, I know at least initially Nieves was not happy about it the first time it happened. He was told to trust them and that he was in their plans. If he was not valued, the Sox very easily could have allowed him to interview with other organizations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Interesting move. Let's certainly hope it's a positive move and he can get through to the likes of MacDougal etc. and build their confidence up. And he'll have experience with more of our guys in the pen, as they've been to Charlotte at 1 point or another, so that's got to be a good thing I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Dbaho, I don't think it really matters. The bullpen coach's role is just to order hot dogs and pizza and get girls phone numbers, isn't it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Oct 21, 2007 -> 11:11 AM) Dbaho, I don't think it really matters. The bullpen coach's role is just to order hot dogs and pizza and get girls phone numbers, isn't it?? Oh yeah compared to the pitching coach the bullpen coach doesn't mean much at all. But I guess my point is, if he can help out Coop in anyway because he probably would have seen most of those guys pitch well down in Charlotte, then that's a good thing. But hey if Nieves is good at the things you've mentioned, I'm sure our relievers will all be pretty happy (especially Bobby). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Oct 20, 2007 -> 05:57 PM) I don't care who our bullpen coach is. It's not going to make a difference one way or the other... But I'm not going to attach his name to the successes(?) of a few minor league guys. Was he in B'ham in '05? Otherwise I don't know how he gets any credit for Jenks. As for Wasserman, he was coming off consecutive seasons of holding righties to a .500 OPS. He's been the same pitcher for the last three seasons, the Sox just had to overlook his stuff and start to look at his success against righties. Also, I don't know if you want to give him credit for helping Broadway become one of the walkingest (yes, that's a word) pitchers in the minors. Again, I have no problem with the promotion. I just think it's silly to attach his name to the skills of the minor leaguers he's been lucky enough to have under his tutelage. I don't think he's even the best pitching coach in the Sox minor leagues. Perdew is the name you hear from pitchers within the organization when prompted. In the last two years, I've heard Eggy, Russell, and Harrell all rave about Perdew. Not that praise from players necessarily indicates great coaching (see: Walker, Greg), but Perdew has seen the career arcs of these players rise dramatically under his guidance. I was taking information from an article from chicagosports.com, where they said he taught Bobby how to throw his breaking pitch, and also has helped other younger guys, and im just saying it may make the transition easier for some of the younger pitchers who may find themselves on the team next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 QUOTE(bigruss22 @ Oct 21, 2007 -> 08:04 AM) I was taking information from an article from chicagosports.com, where they said he taught Bobby how to throw his breaking pitch, and also has helped other younger guys, and im just saying it may make the transition easier for some of the younger pitchers who may find themselves on the team next year. More specifically, they say Nieves taught Jenks that hammer of a curveball. That's a huge pitch for Bobby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 21, 2007 -> 09:29 AM) More specifically, they say Nieves taught Jenks that hammer of a curveball. That's a huge pitch for Bobby. Well that's just crazy. Jenks has had a crazy curve since he was first scouted in Idaho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Oct 21, 2007 -> 04:40 PM) Well that's just crazy. Jenks has had a crazy curve since he was first scouted in Idaho. oh do tell us your first hand experience with it mr. knowledge. oh wait, you have none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Oct 22, 2007 -> 12:26 AM) oh do tell us your first hand experience with it mr. knowledge. It's pretty common knowledge, actually. If you had a clue about anything, you'd understand that, but that would be expecting too much, so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 I can't say specifically what if anything Nieves had to do with Jenks and his curveball. But considering Jenkins always had problems with control, it would not be out of the realm of possibility that Nieves helped him locate it better to make it an effective pitch and gave him the confidence to not stress of he bounced one or two. Those are common issues with young pitchers who have big breaking balls. There is very little margin between bouncing one in the dirt and hanging one. So it is possible that Nieves could have helped him with the pitch, yet did not show him how to throw it. So lots not get too tangled over words, shall we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Oct 21, 2007 -> 09:29 PM) I can't say specifically what if anything Nieves had to do with Jenks and his curveball. But considering Jenkins always had problems with control, it would not be out of the realm of possibility that Nieves helped him locate it better to make it an effective pitch and gave him the confidence to not stress of he bounced one or two. Those are common issues with young pitchers who have big breaking balls. There is very little margin between bouncing one in the dirt and hanging one. So it is possible that Nieves could have helped him with the pitch, yet did not show him how to throw it. So lots not get too tangled over words, shall we? Outstanding posting as usual Rex. Anything whitesox related especially from the minors I'll take your word over anyone elses considering you actually do have the "knowledge" backing you up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Oct 21, 2007 -> 09:29 PM) I can't say specifically what if anything Nieves had to do with Jenks and his curveball. But considering Jenkins always had problems with control, it would not be out of the realm of possibility that Nieves helped him locate it better to make it an effective pitch and gave him the confidence to not stress of he bounced one or two. Those are common issues with young pitchers who have big breaking balls. There is very little margin between bouncing one in the dirt and hanging one. So it is possible that Nieves could have helped him with the pitch, yet did not show him how to throw it. So lots not get too tangled over words, shall we? That seems likely. I think when you see the word "develop", its not clear if that means create or enhance/improve. Probably the latter in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Well hopefully Nieves can wake up that pen next year. It was ugly for most of the year last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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