Kalapse,

 

Is Philly covering any of Thome's 2009 extension money? I wasn't sure.

It wouldn't make any sense for them to commit money to a part of Thome's contract that at the time, wasn't guaranteed. Why would a team trade a guy, pick up a lot of his contract and also agree that if said player played well enough to kick in another year of his contract, they will throw you even more money?

It wouldn't make any sense for them to commit money to a part of Thome's contract that at the time, wasn't guaranteed. Why would a team trade a guy, pick up a lot of his contract and also agree that if said player played well enough to kick in another year of his contract, they will throw you even more money?

 

you and I have talked about this before. The end of the story is that Philadelphia gave $22 million; if you spread that money out, it covers 5.5 mill over the duration of the 4 years

Here is what I have for 2010:

 

Obligated ($68.05)

Peavy $15

Buehrle $14

Konerko $12

Pierzynski $6.25

Linebrink $5

Floyd $2.75

Rios $9.7

Viciedo $2.25

Ramirez $1.1

 

Arbitration Eligible

Jenks

Danks

Quentin

Betemit

 

Options

Thornton $2.25

Garcia $1

 

Not Sure

Pena

Carrasco

Williams

 

Pre Arbitration

Beckham

Getz

Nix

 

I'm sure I'm missing other minor league contracts we have to cover.

 

Here is what I have for 2010:

 

Obligated ($68.05)

Peavy $15

Buehrle $14

Konerko $12

Pierzynski $6.25

Linebrink $5

Floyd $2.75

Rios $9.7

Viciedo $2.25

Ramirez $1.1

 

Arbitration Eligible

Jenks

Danks

Quentin

Betemit

 

Options

Thornton $2.25

Garcia $1

 

Not Sure

Pena

Carrasco

Williams

 

Pre Arbitration

Beckham

Getz

Nix

 

I'm sure I'm missing other minor league contracts we have to cover.

 

Betemit is not on the roster man, they released him months ago.

Betemit is not on the roster man, they released him months ago.

My bad. I was going back and forth between ESPN (which has active rosters) and Cots (which has contract info but the rosters aren't up to date). Missed that one.

Betemit is not on the roster man, they released him months ago.

Betemit's in Charlotte so he's still in the organization.

Here is what I have for 2010:

 

Obligated ($68.05)

Peavy $15

Buehrle $14

Konerko $12

Pierzynski $6.25

Linebrink $5

Floyd $2.75

Rios $9.7

Viciedo $2.25

Ramirez $1.1

 

Arbitration Eligible

Jenks

Danks

Quentin

Betemit

 

Options

Thornton $2.25

Garcia $1

 

Not Sure

Pena

Carrasco

Williams

 

Pre Arbitration

Beckham

Getz

Nix

 

I'm sure I'm missing other minor league contracts we have to cover.

Viciedo is due $1.25M. Pena, Carrasco and Wise are arbitration eligible and Williams is pre-arb (only about 1 year of service). Add in the $1M buyout due to Dye (the extra million you gave to Viciedo accounts for this) and you're right on.

I updated the graphic for the end of the season. Here's what you need to know:

 

1.) Service time and options have not been updated, they're the same as they were at the beginning of the season, the next update will address these

2.) The salaries of those players on the active roster making near league minimum weren't included, instead there is a blank red box, if I included them then I'd have to include the salaries of any player who spent a day on the active roster this year which would give an unrealistic final payroll figure

3.) The ARB and PREARB blocks for the likes of Viciedo, Hudson etc represent their future outlook based on the service number they had at the beginning of the season, not what they've accumulated this year. For example it says if Beckham stays in the majors for the next 5 years he'll be a free agent in 2015 when in reality he'd be a free agent in 2016, I did this to avoid confusion. The next update will provide a more accurate model since I'll have updated service times to base this off.

 

There may be a few more things but I'm blanking right now. Here are your links:

 

DIRECT LINK - 10/06/09 UPDATE

Nice. Thanks.

 

Do you think there's a reasonable estimate you could come up with for how much our arbitration eligible players will make, or is there just no way to tell roughly how much they will make?

Do you think there's a reasonable estimate you could come up with for how much our arbitration eligible players will make, or is there just no way to tell roughly how much they will make?

Jenks and Danks are fairly easy. Jenks will get around $7.5M and Danks I'd say about $3.2M. Quentin's tough, probably the same as Danks, maybe a bit less. So somewhere between $15 and $16M total for Jenks, Danks, Quentin, Carrasco and Pena.

Jenks and Danks are fairly easy. Jenks will get around $7.5M and Danks I'd say about $3.2M. Quentin's tough, probably the same as Danks, maybe a bit less. So somewhere between $15 and $16M total for Jenks, Danks, Quentin, Carrasco and Pena.

 

Based off of the salary chart we have about 21 MLB players currently on the 40 man. The $71 million number for guaranteed deals will be higher obviously when you add in the ARB guys, so $15 million more for Jenks,Danks,Q,DJ and Pena sounds about right putting the total at $85 million for 15 guys...$1 million of the $85 is for Viciedo and I wouldn't expect him to produce for the big league club just yet.

 

We have about 6 more guys who will be making on avg about $500k each in Beckham, Getz,Hudson,Nix,Torres and Flowers. that's another $3 million or so. If any of these guys like Torres,Hudson or Flowers don't make the big league squad, you can assume journeymen type guys will fill these rolls at similar salaries. That gives us 21 MLB players at $88 million with obvious holes to fill.

 

Clearing out salary seems like a must if we plan on adding any potential big bats and bullpen help. The only problem is who to trade. Jenks is the most obvious choice to go. If we can trade Jenks our salary will be down to $81 million, assuming he gets $7 million. If we could trade Paulie instead we would be down to $76 million but this just won't happen IMO. I assume we will keep our salary at the $100 million mark, giving us about $19 million to play with in free agency and trade acquistions. If the free agent market shakes out like it did last winter, we could end up with some solid players for cheap money. I'm not sure if that will happen again but I'd love Abreu at $5 million again or an Orlando Hudson type contract for only $3-4 million.

 

Obviously we need 2 bats. A corner OF and a DH. Hopefully the DH will be someone who can also be able to play the field to give us flexibility with our lineup giving guys more of a chance to rest. We seem to be dragging ass in the 2nd half now for the last 5 seasons. Unfortunately there are only a few guys out there who could help us IMO. I think we can forget about signing Bay and Holliday. Our best options appear to be the following OF's Vlad,Damon,Abreu,resigning Dye or Pods or bringing in less talented bats like Andruw Jones, Mike Cameron,Garrett Anderson,Marlon Byrd or Rick Ainkiel. For the DH spot, we may end up with someone like Hank Blalock, Aubrey Huff type who could fill in at 1B/3B/OF if needed. Or maybe we bring back Thome on the cheap. I love Thome, but feel we need someone with flexibility. We will shall see what KW has up his sleeve.

 

We will also need a bullpen arm or 2. At the moment our bullpen sets up with Thornton,Linebrink,Carrasco and Pena. With Thornton being the leader to be the new closer, we will need a lefty setup guy and our last bullpen spot or 2 will probably be filled in house by Torres,Link, Nunez type guy I think.

All the pre-arb guys will make closer to $400K than $500K. Maybe the Sox will sign Beckham to a long term deal, but I don't think so this offseason.

Hopefully Ozzie's Venezualan connection could bring Abreu over here.This guy is exactly what KW and Ozzie are craving for offensively.

Edited October 9, 200916 yr by GreatScott82

Hopefully Ozzie's Venezualan connection could bring Abreu over here.This guy is exactly what KW and Ozzie are craving for offensively.

And exactly what they are not craving financially and defensively. He makes the current version of JD look like a 25 year old Vlad Guerrero in RF.

I'd rather Detroit give us their Venezuelan 1B, Miguel Cabrera - for free.

Here's where we stand right now.

 

That's pretty awesome Kal.

18 million coming off after 2010 if we don't resign Pauly or AJ.

 

 

Anyone else thinking Prince Fielder?

18 million coming off after 2010 if we don't resign Pauly or AJ.

 

 

Anyone else thinking Prince Fielder?

Not KW. Fielder is a BorAss client.

Not KW. Fielder is a BorAss client.

 

Adrian Gonzalez

So right now, we're at 71 million without arbitration for Danks, Quentin, Jenks, and Carrasco. Hmmm.

 

Jenks might as well be on his way out if our payroll is only going to be around $90 million for the year.

The Sox will look at moving the following guys (not saying they will) because ultimately to do some more re-tooling of the lineup salary needs to be moved and these are the guys that I think they look at or even consider (although Buehrle is a clear long-shot). In no way am I saying they have to move these guys:

 

Bobby Jenks

Paul Konerko

Scott Linebrink

Mark Buehrle

 

The Sox will look at moving the following guys (not saying they will) because ultimately to do some more re-tooling of the lineup salary needs to be moved and these are the guys that I think they look at or even consider (although Buehrle is a clear long-shot). In no way am I saying they have to move these guys:

 

Bobby Jenks

Paul Konerko

Scott Linebrink

Mark Buehrle

yep i can believe they will try to trade 1 or all 4 of those players .

This is a great resource.