According to Cots contracts, both AJ and Linebrink have no trade rights. Unless I'm reading this wrong.

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/c...-white-sox.html

According to Cots contracts, both AJ and Linebrink have no trade rights. Unless I'm reading this wrong.

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/c...-white-sox.html

Well most everyone seems to be under the impression that the limited no trade clause that Pierzynski received with his deal in December of '05 carried over to the contract he signed in October of '07. He'll receive 10/5 no trade protection 72 days into the season so I'm not particularly worried about it.

How does a player playing part of the season in the minors affect his salary and his arbtitration eligibility? For instance, Lillibridge. He made $402,500 but was he paid that much since he spent some of the season in the minors? Does a player have to play 3 years in the majors for a certain amount of time to become arbitration eligible? Could a player like Lillibridge be pre-arb for 4 or 5 years based on his major league service time?

How does a player playing part of the season in the minors affect his salary and his arbtitration eligibility? For instance, Lillibridge. He made $402,500 but was he paid that much since he spent some of the season in the minors? Does a player have to play 3 years in the majors for a certain amount of time to become arbitration eligible? Could a player like Lillibridge be pre-arb for 4 or 5 years based on his major league service time?

 

The contract was negotiated before the season began, his salary ($402,500) would have remained the same if he never played a game in the majors this season. The sox would have to pick up the entire contract regardless.

 

This should answer your question.

 

Pre-Arbitration players are those players who have accumulated fewer than three full years of Major League service time (172 days counts as a full year even though the season is actually 183)... except those players in the top 17% of the two year class, which is usually around two years and 130 days. How did that exception get in there? That's collective bargaining for you. Nevertheless, as a quick rule of thumb just think: any player with less than two years and four months of big league time is pre-arbitration.

 

 

How Service Time is Calculated

 

Major League service time does NOT include all time spent on the Major League 40-man roster. It only includes time spent on the Major League 25-man roster, both active and disabled. So, a player who is on the 40-man roster in spring training, gets optioned to AAA in March, and then gets recalled to the big leagues for the month of September will accumulate 30 Major League service days (September only). On the other hand, a player who is placed on the Major League disabled list in spring training and misses the entire season will actually be given a full year of service time.

 

Salary Guidelines for Pre-Arbitration Players

 

Why am I writing about this? Well, the free agents sign for whatever they can get on the free market, arbitration eligible players must come to a mutually acceptable agreement with their teams or have their salaries determined by an arbitation panel, but pre-arbitration players get paid whatever the Club wants to pay them... with a couple of caveats:

 

* The salary must be at least the Major League minimum salary ($400,000 in 2009)

* The salary must be at least 80% of the prior year's compensation

 

Therefore, by rule, every Club has the right to pay each of these players the Major League minimum as long as the amount satisfies caveat #2 above. However, no Club actually does this.

 

Rather, Clubs actually "negotiate" each and every one of these deals with the players' agents in order to come to an agreement. I write "negotiate" because at the end of the day it's a pretty one-sided negotiation - the Club maintains all the leverage.

UPDATED VERSION

 

 

Removed Dye, Getz and Fields

 

Added De Aza, Kotsay and Teahen

UPDATED VERSION [11.23.09]

 

(CLICK FOR FULL SIZE)

 

Added the Rule V protectees and Omar Vizquel

How is it that Lucas Harrell and Cole Armstrong have only one option left each, even though neither has ever seen the majors?

 

Each year that they've been on the 40 and not made the 25, it's used up an option.

Each year that they've been on the 40 and not made the 25, it's used up an option.

That's what keeps teams from putting a Rule V eligible player on the 40 man roster and leaving him in AAA for the next 10 years. The system is designed to give players a chance to play and keep teams from hording away guys that they have no use for.

 

4 or 5 years in the minors until you're Rule V eligible

3 years on the 40 man roster without making the 25 man

6 years on the 25 man before free agency

 

so 13 or 14 years of waiting for your chance before you can go out and find work

Each year that they've been on the 40 and not made the 25, it's used up an option.

 

Thanks for that info, makes sense with what Kalapse said.

 

seems about 95 mil now including likely arbitration money. Hope we still have cash for RF, DH, and Bullpen.

UPDATED VERSION [11.25.09]

 

(CLICK FOR FULL SIZE)

 

Added Andruw Jones

What do pre-arbitration players make? Is there a wage scale?

The team pays them whatever they see fit as long as it's at or above the league minimum of $400K and coincides with wage reduction rules (you can lower a player's salary only so much from the previous season). For example: Quentin made $550K last season in his final year before arbitration as did Jenks in '08 while John Danks made $520K and Brent Lillibridge $0.4025M. So the Sox felt Quentin was worth 38% over the minimum, Jenks 41% (the minimum was $390K in '08), Danks 30% and Lillibridge .625%.

UPDATED FOR THE JONES SIGNING [11.25.09]

 

LINK

 

great layout on the payroll,

 

i was reading the hot stove and came across this about money lost by the tigers. using this run down and plug in what we know of the sox, i wonder how close we can deduct about the sox financial going into 2010.

 

http://www.yardbarker.com/author/article_external/1692921

UPDATED VERSION [12.08.09]

 

(CLICK FOR FULL SIZE)

 

Added Mark Teahen's new deal

Thanks again for this. I love it.

Gotta love Tim Dierkes, he was just on the Score claiming the Sox will have a $120-$130 Million dollar payroll, and said that they could possibly go for Adrian Gonzalez, referencing (not by name) the SoxNet rumor that he so quickly shot down as unreliable.

Gotta love Tim Dierkes, he was just on the Score claiming the Sox will have a $120-$130 Million dollar payroll, and said that they could possibly go for Adrian Gonzalez, referencing (not by name) the SoxNet rumor that he so quickly shot down as unreliable.

Yes, we're going to non-tender DJ Carrasco because we're currently $45M-$55M under budget.

Yes, we're going to non-tender DJ Carrasco because we're currently $45M-$55M under budget.

If we had that money Figgins or Beltre would be at 3b.

Yes, we're going to non-tender DJ Carrasco because we're currently $45M-$55M under budget.

 

DJ is obviously asking for $40M, since he was after all, team MVP.

The contract was negotiated before the season began, his salary ($402,500) would have remained the same if he never played a game in the majors this season. The sox would have to pick up the entire contract regardless.

 

This should answer your question.

Sweet thanks!

UPDATED VERSION [12.08.09]

 

(CLICK FOR FULL SIZE)

 

Added Mark Teahen's new deal

Where do you get the values for service time?

Where do you get the values for service time?

I calculated them myself, they're off by at most 4 days.

I calculated them myself, they're off by at most 4 days.

 

What the formula...I have been trying to figure it out.