Get that OPS somewhere in the .925-.950 range, like he's shown he can do at AAA...

 

I'd take .825-.850... I'm not ready to put Thome's expectations on him quite yet... but I like the optimism!

395 career major league ABs, .230/.316/.425/.741, 85 OPS+

 

365 career major league ABs, .268/.324/.315/.639, 67 OPS+

 

If one of these guys wins an OF job he'll hit in the bottom 3rd of the order so even if he doesn't live up to expectations he won't be logging a ton of PAs.

 

If the other guy wins an OF job he'll be leading off so if he doesn't live up to the team's expectations he'll be logging the most PAs in the batting order (if he plays everyday) and he'll be making outs in front of the best hitters in the lineup.

 

 

touche salesman

I'd take .825-.850... I'm not ready to put Thome's expectations on him quite yet... but I like the optimism!

I believe the question was not what numbers will he put up...but what numbers would he have to put up for someone to be willing to, ahem, "shine his knob".

We all hope he can hit. He's probably a lot better than he showed in 2007, but thinking he might be able to duplicate his minor league numbers would be a stretch. He seems to have problems with injuries. I hope he doesn't become a chronically hurt guy. I liked the Quentin trade, I just think it may take some time before he becomes real productive.

DA, im with you... his injuries are worrisome, and he probably won't put up a .429 obp like he did in the minors...but im a really big fan of quentin... i remember reading about him when he was with the diamondbacks and i was always impressed with the quentin/jackson tandem arizona had...while i dont think he will put up his minor league #s in the majors, i do honestly believe that minor league obp and ops are a strong indicator of how that player will project into that majors....after you factor in the fact that quentin was relatively young at each stop he had in minors..and im just super excited about this guy...im just as excited about him as any sox youngster weve had in quite some time (maybe since pauly)...i may be overly optimistic but i think this was KWs best acquisition of the offseason ...i really think he could be as good of a player as swisher within a year or two and we got him for just 1 single A player...we'll see, i mean i was high arnie munoz and that turned out to be a disaster, but i just have really strong feeling about quentin

I believe the question was not what numbers will he put up...but what numbers would he have to put up for someone to be willing to, ahem, "shine his knob".

 

Huge Numbers, and maybe this guys got the G herp, whos to say, but they gotta be staggering numbers

I believe the question was not what numbers will he put up...but what numbers would he have to put up for someone to be willing to, ahem, "shine his knob".

 

 

LOL - oh... right. Let's bump that OPS just a tad to maybe 1.500 or so then.

 

Quentin has got the potential to be a all-star player, not this year, but definitely in the future. He has a great bat and solid eye at the plate. I wouldn't be surprised to see him put up a .285, 25, 90 RBI season this year. He just needs a solid Spring Training to get his confidence up and I think he will bust out. He has got the goods. IMO, Owens makes a perfect fourth outfielder because of his speed and he can play anywhere in the outfield. He will still get some ABs against tough righties and still as bench player rack up 25 SBs.

Joe Borchard hit them pretty far as well.

Joe Borchard hit them pretty far as well.

The only thing Borchard hit harder than a baseball was a bong.

Just for the record on the Padilla hate --

 

as I understand it, Padilla has drinking problems [drinking and driving story] and a big attitude [quiet, surly], but in the interest of fairness I remember reading that Padilla was being heckled by the White Sox dugout quite seriously -- if I recall correctly, it was racial and or drinking slurs -- and that's why he hit Pierzynski, as the most vocal. [That was what I read somewhere; I think I posted it here somewhere but I don't know that for sure and can't find the article.]

 

I don't know if it's true that they were heckling him, and I can't find the story anywhere (Pierzynski and Padilla bring up Ozzie's epithet incident or the general beaning, but a lot of stuff about Ozzie's slur). [This is probably why I can't find the article, and also it was a small one that happened way after the fact.]

 

So, just throwing it out there that, IIRC, there's more to it than it seems.

 

It is cool that Swisher charged him. Swisher rocks.

 

[i'm not saying anything about whether or not he hit AJ for a reason but I am saying that usually you don't hit a guy for no reason and never as obviously as Padilla hit him so when I first read that story it made sense, especially coupled with the fact that AJ is kind of a jerk ]

 

[Padilla is a real interesting guy; I'm no fan, but I find him interesting.]

 

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Edited February 3, 200818 yr by Gregory Pratt

the additions of Swish and Quentin along with O-Cab really are exciting. Add them to a core of Thome, Konerko, Dye, Fields, and AJ and that is some pop in the lineup.

[Padilla is a real interesting guy; I'm no fan, but I find him interesting.]

 

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What's interesting about him? Quiet, surly guy with a drinking problem?

Kind of a throwback to the old days of baseball, the beginning days.

Kind of a throwback to the old days of baseball, the beginning days.

 

Back in the 16th Century when all players were vampires.

 

Kind of a throwback to the old days of baseball, the beginning days.

 

Still don't get it... but that's alright.

 

 

 

If all the players in the old days were drunkin assholes, I wonder why anyone would follow the sport.

the additions of Swish and Quentin along with O-Cab really are exciting. Add them to a core of Thome, Konerko, Dye, Fields, and AJ and that is some pop in the lineup.

Add to that the presumably much more reliable bullpen, and I think 2008 is going to be a very exciting year for White Sox fans. We have some real good ball players, and if Oz can get them all on the same page like he did in '05, some interesting things could happen...

I saw title and thought f-bombs

The kid can hit some breaking balls. i wonder how he does on fastballs?

 

The opposite of Pedro Cerrano.

The only thing Borchard hit harder than a baseball was a bong.

 

Joe Borchard is probably one of the nicest human beings ever to wear a White Sox uniform. He also worked extremely hard. Sometimes ability and effort don't get it done either.

 

Joe Borchard is probably one of the nicest human beings ever to wear a White Sox uniform. He also worked extremely hard. Sometimes ability and effort don't get it done either.

 

 

I think that his hitting style as so ingrained in his psyche that it was hard to change without eliminating the one thing that made him mlb ready - massive power.

 

So, it was either loopy swings with holes in them or Sandy Alomar/Ben Davis-like power (Big man with no power).

If all the players in the old days were drunkin assholes, I wonder why anyone would follow the sport.

 

because they could be drunken assholes and get away with it. the general public never knew because those things weren't written about in those days.

If all the players in the old days were drunkin assholes, I wonder why anyone would follow the sport.

 

All of the guys not in baseball were drunken assholes, too.

 

so, to educate a guy who doesnt know a ton about Quentin....

 

 

do we know for sure that his injury happened AFTER his minor league success last year? or can it still simply be that he's great at AAA and bad in the majors?

so, to educate a guy who doesnt know a ton about Quentin....

do we know for sure that his injury happened AFTER his minor league success last year? or can it still simply be that he's great at AAA and bad in the majors?

Quentin's initial injury happened in March, torn left labrum. For the D-Backs, it appears in 07 he was used in the Brian Anderson, quasi every day player for the first 3 months of the season. 41 at bats in April, 84 in May, 66 in June. He was demoted in early July, and was recalled some point thereafter before being put on the 15 day DL on August 2nd for a different injury, to his right hamstring. He was recalled for a few AB's in September, but then proceeded to have the surgery to fix his shoulder in October. So he had his minor league success while still injured.

Edited February 4, 200818 yr by Balta1701