Better bullpen, significantly worse starting rotation. If anything, maybe this year will finally prove how underrated Garland was by Sox fans.

 

very true.

The good news is that Fields won't K 3 times on opening day against C.C. It might be funny seeing Ramirez take some cuts against him.

Didn't we already have this blowout once already?

 

Honestly, the amount of time spent around here on trying to paint Fields as the next Mike Schmidt, and Crede as a never-was-has-been and vice versa is quite astonishing to me.

 

We knew this move was coming a week ago.

 

We also know Owens will be the starting CF.

 

We also know Uribe will be the starting 2b.

 

How about we talk about how this team will lineup against other teams in the month of April, and how Fields, Anderson, and Ramirez might somehow augment the team and help us compete as the season goes on?

 

And nothing pisses me off more than this. We traded a starting pitcher for a SS for 1 year, and we just move our fat goat to another position. Brilliant!

What a miserable organization -- absolutely f***ing pathetic.

 

And seriously -- someone's arguing about Fields' defense in LF? Even if he's terrible out there, who gives a damn? He'd have to be a statue -- a complete statue, not moving for any ball hit to him -- to make up for the difference between his and Owens' bat.

 

(I don't advocate Fields in LF, BTW -- he should be at third-base. Starting in Chicago. Every GM in baseball called your bluff w/r/t Crede, Kenny, time to cut your losses.)

 

I really wish we would have signed Hunter...I don't care if it was 18 million a year. After we lost him, it seems like KW's entire plan was blown up and he might have panicked with some of his moves.

right. the guy has shown he can really hit against ML pitching so thats what he NEEDS to be doing. He has nothing to learn in the minors except for defense and that he can do at the major league level. i really worry about ruining Josh.

 

Look at how Tampa handles players in attempt to ruin them. Josh Fields and Joe Crede are probably about even on a talent level and what they will produce. The player making the money stays the cheaper one remains in the minors and with the organization a year longer 5 years from now. Come on I like Josh Fields but for about the 1,000,000th time if you think there are no aspects of his game that need work your insane. I am sure Fields will be fine and his career will be what it is.

 

Look at it this way our minor league outfield with Quintin and Anderson should be great and with Fields and Richar, everyone will get what they want, one hell of minor league team.

Wouldn't it have been so much nicer to have an outfield of Quentin, Anderson, and Fields, while saving the money on Dye's contract and not having to trade 3 prospects for Swisher (I like Swisher).

I couldn't agree more. I have a feeling we will have to watch another pathetic year of Dye in RF...

 

Right now, I am praying to god that Dye, Crede, and Uribe have a great first half so we can then deal them at the deadline. I don't see us competing with our piss-poor rotation.

And nothing pisses me off more than this. We traded a starting pitcher for a SS for 1 year, and we just move our fat goat to another position. Brilliant!

 

After seeing OC this ST, I'm happy we haven't signed him to an extension. He looks a step slow.

Ok, I'm f***ing tired of people claiming Fields has NOTHING to learn in Charlotte. BearSox, you actually stated that he has "mastered" that level.

 

When are you guys going to address the fact that he can't hit an average fastball and he has major strides to make defensively? How is working on those things going to retard his growth or "ruin" him?

 

Ryan f***ing Howard stayed in Scranton (Philly's AAA team) until the age of 26, while the big league club figured out how to move Thome, and it certainly didn't ruin him.

 

As a GM, you have to maximize your resources, especially considering we don't have a whole hell of a lot in the farm system right now. We have a guy coming off an injury that just a few years ago, was a pretty damned good player. We're not going to lose games because Joe Crede might start out a bit slowly instead of having Josh "Arod" Fields out there corkscrewing himself into the ground 2-3 times a game.

 

Let Crede try to establish some trade value, or value to this team.

 

Fields will be back soon, I promise you all.

What a joke!I didnt think this day would come cause its such a f***** stupid move I didnt think they were dumb enough to do it.Iam going to have to stay away from soxtalk for the rest of the day because now Iam pissed.

That's exactly how I feel---about cutting Phillips and keeping Toby Hall!

 

Phillips earned that roster spot. What has Toby Hall ever done in a White Sox uniform? He didn't do anything last year to earn the bemnefit of the doubt. He looked terrible this spring, and he doesn't even appear to be healthy. He never had his shoulder repaired.

 

Keeping Toby Hall and cutting Phillips is by far the worst roster move of the year so far.

I just hope it doesn't become a battle on here where the Kenny/Oz apologists make snide remarks every time Fields goes 0-3 3 K in the minors, while the Crede haters make remarks every time Crede does bad in a game.

I don't know if you noticed this or not, but the talent level between AAA and the MLB are completely different. Fields can't improve on what he needs to at Charlotte. He needs to face MLB pitching.

Joe Crede is officially my least favorite player on the White Sox.

Mine is Toby Hall.

I really wish we would have signed Hunter...I don't care if it was 18 million a year. After we lost him, it seems like KW's entire plan was blown up and he might have panicked with some of his moves.

...all we would get is the "can't spend a $1 with 50 cents" line for the next five years.

 

 

Joe Crede sucks. This is ridculous. Hall, Uribe, and Crede all combining to make around $11 million for the Sox this year, and we have much cheaper replacements at their positions.

Wouldn't it have been so much nicer to have an outfield of Quentin, Anderson, and Fields, while saving the money on Dye's contract and not having to trade 3 prospects for Swisher (I like Swisher).

 

I'm not saying we need as many OF's as we have right now, but I can only imagine the reaction 2 months ago had these guys been announced as the frontrunners for our OF....

mine is a tie between Owens, Hall, and Uribe.

Ya know...everybody's got their points on all these moves: Fields/Crede, BA/Owens, Uribe, etc...and it is what it is...but for the life of me I'm still trying to figure out just WHAT THE HELL Toby Hall brings to this team?!?

That's exactly how I feel---about cutting Phillips and keeping Toby Hall!

 

Phillips earned that roster spot. What has Toby Hall ever done in a White Sox uniform? He didn't do anything last year to earn the bemnefit of the doubt. He looked terrible this spring, and he doesn't even appear to be healthy. He never had his shoulder repaired.

 

Keeping Toby Hall and cutting Phillips is by far the worst roster move of the year so far.

 

Not necessarily disaggreeing, but there are A LOT to choose from.

I just want to know how didn't we start the rebuilding last season when the time was right?

I don't know if you noticed this or not, but the talent level between AAA and the MLB are completely different. Fields can't improve on what he needs to at Charlotte. He needs to face MLB pitching.

 

Are you kidding me? Honestly? How come all the people who have actually played baseball are saying the exact opposite of this?

 

Stop painting Josh Fields as some Frank Thomas manchild-type hitter, because he isn't close. He's got some major power, but he is nowhere near a complete hitter.

 

When are you going to face these facts?

Ya know...everybody's got their points on all these moves: Fields/Crede, BA/Owens, Uribe, etc...and it is what it is...but for the life of me I'm still trying to figure out just WHAT THE HELL Toby Hall brings to this team?!?

 

Fourth String 1B.

If a few months at AAA is going to "ruin" Fields, he would obviously lack the mental toughness to succeed long term anyway. I thought KW was posturing, thinking Crede was gone, but he will be gone, and Fields will be at 3rd base. Whether he's as great as a lot of posters think remains to be seen. What we should be concerned about is a team that made a big effort for better spring training results this year, limping to the finish line. I think they are 1-7-3 their last 11 and are hitless through 3 today. I think Ozzie should use his relievers like it was the regular season from here on out. Its time to get used to winning, so what if Jenks faces a guy who will be in AA. I'm pretty sure he knows how to get major leaguers out.

Ya know...everybody's got their points on all these moves: Fields/Crede, BA/Owens, Uribe, etc...and it is what it is...but for the life of me I'm still trying to figure out just WHAT THE HELL Toby Hall brings to this team?!?

 

A contract we apparently don't want to waste.

When are you guys going to address the fact that he can't hit an average fastball and he has major strides to make defensively? How is working on those things going to retard his growth or "ruin" him?

 

Ryan f***ing Howard stayed in Scranton (Philly's AAA team) until the age of 26, while the big league club figured out how to move Thome, and it certainly didn't ruin him.

 

As a GM, you have to maximize your resources, especially considering we don't have a whole hell of a lot in the farm system right now. We have a guy coming off an injury that just a few years ago, was a pretty damned good player.

 

For the most part, he's not going to see "average fastballs" in AAA. He's going to see below average fastballs, outside of your occasional top prospect. He'll be seeing lots of the Tim Reddings and Wade Millers of the world (for the most part).

 

There's so many things wrong with the Ryan Howard situational comparison as well. First there's the fact that Crede isn't even close to comparable as Thome. A healthy Crede, at his best, is probably the guy we saw in 2006 -- average-ish bat (slugging % heavy) with plus defense and well below-average baserunning. That's a very replaceable player and certainly not someone who should be blocking your top prospect. Thome, quite obviously, is a top-30 bat in the game when healthy. And there was a LOT more invested in Thome than there is in Crede.

 

Talk about an apples and filet mignon comparison there.

A contract we apparently don't want to waste.

And some hellish facial hair. They want Toby to hit the buffet and empty it before Uribe gets there to keep Juan's weight down.

Edited March 25, 200818 yr by Dick Allen

A contract we apparently don't want to waste.

 

God know there's enough of those right now.....