Balta1701 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 16, 2009 -> 12:46 AM) Can we at least wait until we get a few more details before it's assumed that John Paxson is the sole reason the trade doesn't go down? No. Every trade that doesn't happen is Pax's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 If the Suns don't want to trade him, what else can the bulls do? I still want Kaman bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 16, 2009 -> 09:44 AM) If the Suns don't want to trade him, what else can the bulls do? I still want Kaman bad. The Bulls could offer Rose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Despite poking fun at the people who insist that every time we lose out on a deal it's guaranteed Pax's fault, I should probably note that standing pat from Pax would still be a disastrous move. If we can't get Amare, fine. Then either we need to find something useful that Gooden's contract can turn in to, we need to find a taker for Hughes, or we need to shed the contract of Hinrich or Nocioni to increase our cap space. We're stuck in the worst possible netherworld regarding the luxury tax, Gordon, and expiring contracts right now; maybe not enough to sign Gordon, not enough to offer a max deal in 2010 if Gordon does walk, an expiring contract each of the next 2 seasons, and a bunch of guys on the bench or the injury report who are being paid a lot of money and being forced to play out of position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Chris in Chicago: The rumors about the Bulls and Stoudamire and Camby/Kaman are making my head spin! Which end is up? Bill Ingram: The Clips aren't moving a big, I can tell you that. Amar'e headed to Chicago unless there's a last second change of heart. The ink is drying on the trade. This is updated as of an hr or so ago. Gooden, Tyrus, and Thabo is what the rumored package is to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 15, 2009 -> 11:49 PM) I know it's not a big deal. Just seems too scripted. The all-star game has lost a lot of luster to begin with. And the whole weekend was pretty much about the "reunion" between Shaq and Kobe. Let's say Shaq doesn't play. Does Amare share the MVP with Kobe? He put up basically the same numbers Shaq did. I'm with you 100 percent on this. Allstar game or not this was clearly a stupid marketing ploy that seems very scripted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 16, 2009 -> 12:55 PM) This is updated as of an hr or so ago. Gooden, Tyrus, and Thabo is what the rumored package is to be. nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 16, 2009 -> 12:55 PM) This is updated as of an hr or so ago. Gooden, Tyrus, and Thabo is what the rumored package is to be. No draft picks? Sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 The Bulls were also going to be sending along one of there trade exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 QUOTE (Brian @ Feb 16, 2009 -> 01:26 PM) No draft picks? Sweet. That'd be a fantastic deal. I'll believe it when I see it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Been Closed doors the entire morning.... Kerr, Sarver, Gentry, and a few others (non players) are all in a room right now, he doesn't know what is happening in there. He thinks Richardson made the trade for Amare better, but worse for the the Suns thinking Richardson is out as well, so far from the other night and way earlier this morning (8am) it is still a go for Amare being gone. But the whole Richardson thing is making the building quiet on the outside and frustrated on the in. So no new update much, he sounded like he had to keep it down while on the phone so I'm not sure if he was in the office or what. I'll be on all day. A lot of talk that Jason Richardson might be coming to Chicago with Larry Hughes being included in the deal. This is because of Richardson's recent problems in Phoenix and most believe a change in scenery is necessary. All I know is Rose, Richar, Deng, Amare, Noah is a pretty damn good starting 5. No word as to how legitimate this portion of the rumor is but it would definately solve some serious problems in Chicago. And of course Gordon still fits into the mix as well. In fact, Chicago could at times go with an incredibly agressive front 5 with Rose/Gordon/Richard/Deng/Amare all on the court at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 16, 2009 -> 01:29 PM) A lot of talk that Jason Richardson might be coming to Chicago with Larry Hughes being included in the deal. This is because of Richardson's recent problems in Phoenix and most believe a change in scenery is necessary. All I know is Rose, Richar, Deng, Amare, Noah is a pretty damn good starting 5. No word as to how legitimate this portion of the rumor is but it would definately solve some serious problems in Chicago. And of course Gordon still fits into the mix as well. In fact, Chicago could at times go with an incredibly agressive front 5 with Rose/Gordon/Richard/Deng/Amare all on the court at once. And that's why I think it still wont happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 16, 2009 -> 11:29 AM) A lot of talk that Jason Richardson might be coming to Chicago with Larry Hughes being included in the deal. This is because of Richardson's recent problems in Phoenix and most believe a change in scenery is necessary. All I know is Rose, Richar, Deng, Amare, Noah is a pretty damn good starting 5. No word as to how legitimate this portion of the rumor is but it would definately solve some serious problems in Chicago. And of course Gordon still fits into the mix as well. In fact, Chicago could at times go with an incredibly agressive front 5 with Rose/Gordon/Richard/Deng/Amare all on the court at once. I still can't see Gordon being able to be brought back in that fashion, even if the salaries are sort of a wash with him and Hughes. Especially since taking on Richardson would add another year - through 2011, that we're holding another contract. But...that would seriously end my complaints about the Bulls not having a shooting guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I will lose it... I will emotionally lose it if we land Amare AND J-Rich. Hell, I'll lose it if we land Amare. I heard a rumor that we might be getting Steve Harnden-favorite Matt Barnes in the deal as well. IT REALLY SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN, SO IM REALLY GOING TO BE PISSED WHEN IT DOESN'T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalls2598 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 16, 2009 -> 01:46 PM) I will lose it... I will emotionally lose it if we land Amare AND J-Rich. Hell, I'll lose it if we land Amare. I heard a rumor that we might be getting Steve Harnden-favorite Matt Barnes in the deal as well. IT REALLY SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN, SO IM REALLY GOING TO BE PISSED WHEN IT DOESN'T. I agree with you...getting my hopes all high and just crashing when this doesn't get done. By the way, i love your new sig, it's high comedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I wouldn't plan on getting him. Who will the Bulls match that equals Rudy Gay, Hakim Warrick, and Mike Conley? The best package we could offer could be Gordon, Thomas, Noah, Gooden, and a 1st round pick next year, but even that doesn't equal Gay, Conley, and Warrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Feb 16, 2009 -> 02:52 PM) I wouldn't plan on getting him. Who will the Bulls match that equals Rudy Gay, Hakim Warrick, and Mike Conley? The Bulls don't have a deal to match that. However, that was reportedly a trade proposed by the Suns and rejected by the Griz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 QUOTE (JorgeFabregas @ Feb 16, 2009 -> 02:58 PM) The Bulls don't have a deal to match that. However, that was reportedly a trade proposed by the Suns and rejected by the Griz. Yeah, a week ago lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Yeah, so if the Suns want those 3 guys from Memphis, how would they get that in equal value from Chicago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) What the Suns want in absolute terms is not important. The relevant questions are what they can get and how interested they are in moving Amare. I'm sure they'd like LeBron. The deal they proposed is simply not realistic. Edited February 17, 2009 by JorgeFabregas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Feb 16, 2009 -> 08:45 PM) Yeah, so if the Suns want those 3 guys from Memphis, how would they get that in equal value from Chicago? expiring contracts, cap relief.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 New Rumor -- bigger, better rumor Amare to Bulls for Gooden, Tyrus, 1st Round Pick Amare from Bulls for Chris Bosh Bosh > Amare if this were to happen... wowzerz Source: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/...-bull17.article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Feb 17, 2009 -> 03:04 AM) New Rumor -- bigger, better rumor Amare to Bulls for Gooden, Tyrus, 1st Round Pick Amare from Bulls for Chris Bosh Bosh > Amare if this were to happen... wowzerz Source: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/...-bull17.article I don't think I can agree on that. However, Bosh is a STUD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Im just going on the assumption nothing will happen because the combo of Paxson/Reinsdorf has been brutal. If the rumors of Paxson retiring/firing after break is true, JR needs to find someone he can actually trust to make the right move and stay the f*** out of the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 QUOTE (rangercal @ Feb 17, 2009 -> 01:09 AM) I don't think I can agree on that. However, Bosh is a STUD. it's arguable either way, neither are amazing defensively (again debatable who is worse), both can create their own offense, both are 6-10 (Amare is wider + weighs 20lbs more). Bosh has a higher PER 22.4-20.1 the value turns for me based on age (Bosh is a year and a half younger), injuries (amare had the microfracture surgery, and yes Bosh has missed time the past few years as well) and the talent around them -- I think Bosh has done more with less over the years. that being said... its a toss up, however, I'd still rather have Bosh probability of getting nobody? likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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