DABearSoX Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 well...this has always been through this site for years but how do you feel as of right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 I chose yes, but not as harsh as "Fire his ass". Just something that should be done. Can't fire the line up, a change has to be make to try and light a spark. Unfortunately, Greg should probably be the fall guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 1, 2008 -> 02:34 PM) I chose yes, but not as harsh as "Fire his ass". Just something that should be done. Can't fire the line up, a change has to be make to try and light a spark. Unfortunately, Greg should probably be the fall guy. Perfectly said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 1, 2008 -> 03:34 PM) I chose yes, but not as harsh as "Fire his ass". Just something that should be done. Can't fire the line up, a change has to be make to try and light a spark. Unfortunately, Greg should probably be the fall guy. Agreed 100 percent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jun 1, 2008 -> 02:36 PM) What? You haven't made you're opinion clear on this matter the last few years, what do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 (edited) Even if it's not his fault, you HAVE to make a change or two. This pitching has been too good for this team to only be a few games over .500. These hitters that are struggling have no constant at the plate to go to when they need it. They look so stressed when there's RISP. I feel bad for Walker in some ways, as he gets so much blame when he does NOTHING that effects the actual game. However, he's failed at his "job" for so long, and this is the real world where you get canned if your area fails. Edited June 1, 2008 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 the only thing i would do would be to swap walker with another coach on the staff and have them flip-flop, perhaps put walker at bench coach i'm not for this guy losing his job for something that (IMO) isn't entirely his fault i think these guys are psyching themselves out, and have been doing this ever since 2006, for whatever reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 1, 2008 -> 02:37 PM) What? You haven't made you're opinion clear on this matter the last few years, what do you think? I was just ahead of the curve on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Funny thing about this thread coming now, if Walker had been fired after yesterday's game, the new hitting coach would have been praised for the approaches today. A lot of hitting the other way, and a ton of hits. The fact that they are gagging with RISP, putting that on the hitting coach is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 1, 2008 -> 03:50 PM) Funny thing about this thread coming now, if Walker had been fired after yesterday's game, the new hitting coach would have been praised for the approaches today. A lot of hitting the other way, and a ton of hits. The fact that they are gagging with RISP, putting that on the hitting coach is ridiculous. what......the......... logic? no... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 (edited) The question(s) I have for people who don't think Walker should be fired is this: Should a hitting coach EVER be fired? Is one even needed? Because it's never really just the hitting coaches fault if you can't hit, but Greg Walker has done about as much as a hitting coach can to show he should be fired since the second half of 2006. If you think Walker shouldn't be fired, I can't only assume you think hitting coaches just shouldn't be fired because it's not their fault, and thus they shouldn't even exist because they aren't needed. Although to be honest, I'd have a really hard time arguing that point of view. Edited June 1, 2008 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 1, 2008 -> 03:53 PM) The question(s) I have for people who don't think Walker should be fired is this: Should a hitting coach EVER be fired? Is one even needed? Because it's never really just the hitting coaches fault if you can't hit, but Greg Walker has done about as much as a hitting coach can to show he should be fired since the second half of 2006. If you think Walker shouldn't be fired, I can't only assume you think hitting coaches just shouldn't be fired because it's not their fault, and thus they shouldn't even exist because they aren't needed. Although to be honest, I'd have a really hard time arguing that point of view. so you're arguement is, if a hitting coach doesn't do anything, they're not needed. so fire walker because he doesn't serve a purpose on the team. just make sure you don't replace him with anyone, because hitting coaches don't really do anything. now, for my opinion on the matter, I think walker brings a more family-type aspect to the team, the guys are very close to him, and as much as it might seem (to many of you guys) that walker being fired would somehow change the team and ultimately cause them to start hitting (which i find unrealistic, but that's just me), i think the ramifications of canning a guy that's so close to his players might send the wrong idea i could be 100% wrong here, but that's the way i see it right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 1, 2008 -> 03:53 PM) The question(s) I have for people who don't think Walker should be fired is this: Should a hitting coach EVER be fired? Is one even needed? Because it's never really just the hitting coaches fault if you can't hit, but Greg Walker has done about as much as a hitting coach can to show he should be fired since the second half of 2006. If you think Walker shouldn't be fired, I can't only assume you think hitting coaches just shouldn't be fired because it's not their fault, and thus they shouldn't even exist because they aren't needed. Although to be honest, I'd have a really hard time arguing that point of view. Sure hitting coaches should be fired. That doesn't mean Walker should be fired. It would be like firing the guy in charge of baserunning because the team has very few steals. I just hope if all who demand his termination don't ever lose their job for something that wasn't their fault. Your just assuming that a hitting coach makes a gigantic difference in a mostly veteran team. It may if the guys didn't like or respect Walker, but they do. I see all the blame for all the failures be put on Walker, so shouldn't all the credit for Quentin be his as well? Edited June 1, 2008 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Couldn't agree more, Walker is like a family member to guys like Crede, Thome, Dye, PK, Uribe, and AJP. However, that might be the problem. Maybe they need a different point of view and a different type of r'ship with the hitting coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Jun 1, 2008 -> 02:57 PM) so you're arguement is, if a hitting coach doesn't do anything, they're not needed. so fire walker because he doesn't serve a purpose on the team. just make sure you don't replace him with anyone, because hitting coaches don't really do anything. now, for my opinion on the matter, I think walker brings a more family-type aspect to the team, the guys are very close to him, and as much as it might seem (to many of you guys) that walker being fired would somehow change the team and ultimately cause them to start hitting (which i find unrealistic, but that's just me), i think the ramifications of canning a guy that's so close to his players might send the wrong idea i could be 100% wrong here, but that's the way i see it right now I have a solution. Call your vet hitters who supposedly don't need a hitting coach. Tell them July 1st will be Walks last day. And then tell them, his fate is up to you. You have a month, yes a month where you will face good pitching and a lot of bad pitching with the NL inter league games. You have one month to save him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 1, 2008 -> 03:59 PM) Couldn't agree more, Walker is like a family member to guys like Crede, Thome, Dye, PK, Uribe, and AJP. However, that might be the problem. Maybe they need a different point of view and a different type of r'ship with the hitting coach. i will say, you make an interesting point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 What is the criteria for judging a hitting coach's worth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABearSoX Posted June 1, 2008 Author Share Posted June 1, 2008 I don't know exactly what a hitting coach's job description is, but if you don't produce results for a business then you are usually fired....if his job description says "Provide hitting knowledge to the team but above all else be a friend and colleague to your players." then i guess you can't fire him... fine, keep him on the bench if he is worth that much to the players because he is a friendly guy.....but this lineup needs a new perspective in there.... It was said before in another thread...this is why you don't hire friends to be your hitting coach...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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