Balta1701 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Senator Specter is such a jerk that he made Rep. Bachmann look nice. As Bachmann finished describing tax policies she would ideally pursue in 2010, Specter began his response, criticizing the congresswoman for dodging the original question. That discussion became tense, as Bachmann continued to talk over Specter, prompting the Pennsylvania senator to charge: "Now wait a minute. I'll stop and you can talk... I'll treat you like a lady. So act like one." "I am a lady," Bachmann replied. The conversation continued, with the two prodding each other about "prosperity," until Bachmann interrupted Specter once more. And, once again, the Pennsylvania Democrat fired back his line: "Now wait a minute, don't interrupt me. I didn't interrupt you. Act like a lady." Bachmann replied in kind, noting, "I think I am a lady." And Specter, sensing this line of attack was going nowhere, said: "I think you are too, that's why I'm treating you like one." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Whoa, here's another aspect of that decision, and the interpretation is probably right. One aspect of the ruling that hasn’t gathered much attention: as far as I can tell, the analysis doesn’t distinguish between domestic and foreign corporations. Not that it would matter much, since a foreign corporation can always establish a domestic subsidiary, or buy an American company: Cities Service, for example, is a unit of PDVSA, the Venezuelan state oil company. So the ruling allows Hugo Chavez to spend as much money as he wants to helping and harming American politicians. If the Russian, Saudi, and Chinese governments don’t currently have appropriate vehicles for doing so, you can count on it: they soon will. Nor is this a problem that can be handled by “disclosure.” The ad on TV praising the opponent of the congressman who did something to annoy Hugo Chavez won’t say “Paid for by Hugo Chavez.” It will say “Paid for by Citizens for Truth, Justice, and the American Way,” which in turn will have gotten a contribution from “Americans for Niceness,” which in turn will have gotten a contribution from a lobbyist for a subsidiary of Cities Service that no one has ever heard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 And it won't take about 15 seconds to figure out who exactly that is, and exploit the hell out of it by the other side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 In what I can only figure is a choice as a metaphor for the times in which we live, this year's White House Correspondents dinner, the night where each administration and the people who fellate it in print and on TV so that they can keep their precious access to the cocktail party circuit to the detriment of all mankind...will be hosted by noneother than Jay Leno. The only time this event wasn't an embarrassment for everyone was in 2006, where the host couldn't have come out cleaner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 03:44 PM) In what I can only figure is a choice as a metaphor for the times in which we live, this year's White House Correspondents dinner, the night where each administration and the people who fellate it in print and on TV so that they can keep their precious access to the cocktail party circuit to the detriment of all mankind...will be hosted by noneother than Jay Leno. The only time this event wasn't an embarrassment for everyone was in 2006, where the host couldn't have come out cleaner. My wife is still trying to convince the President of the club she works for to get Colbert as a speaker. *crosses fingers* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 But the media looks so cool at the WHCD! They bring celebrities cause they are really hip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 04:52 PM) But the media looks so cool at the WHCD! They bring celebrities cause they are really hip! And when Bush went around the stage searching for the missing WMD, that was totally hi-larious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 03:55 PM) And when Bush went around the stage searching for the missing WMD, that was totally hi-larious. I loved when they cut away to survivors of bombed out civilian homes in Iraq. The howling laughter coming from those people was priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 I read the line of something SS2K5 posted that says they didn't lift a ban on unlimited corporate contributions so I feel better about that... still pissed about the ruling though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 05:10 PM) I read the line of something SS2K5 posted that says they didn't lift a ban on unlimited corporate contributions so I feel better about that... still pissed about the ruling though. It's actually unlimited in the sense that you can spend an unlimited amount as long as you don't directly coordinate with a campaign, I think. Basically it's the slightly more complicated version of soft money that is no longer limted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 12:55 PM) And it won't take about 15 seconds to figure out who exactly that is, and exploit the hell out of it by the other side? Betcha can't guess who the largest shareholder in Newscorp is outside of the Murdoch family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 23, 2010 -> 10:04 AM) Betcha can't guess who the largest shareholder in Newscorp is outside of the Murdoch family. There is a difference there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 23, 2010 -> 11:09 AM) There is a difference there. It's always different. © Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 23, 2010 -> 10:10 AM) It's always different. © And it gives all of the more reason for one side to exploit those donors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 23, 2010 -> 11:13 AM) And it gives all of the more reason for one side to exploit those donors... So, if someone were to point out that Prince Bin-Talal owns 8% of newscorp, you think that'd make people stop watching, or question why that network's official policy is that there's no such thing as climate change? Somehow, I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 23, 2010 -> 10:16 AM) So, if someone were to point out that Prince Bin-Talal owns 8% of newscorp, you think that'd make people stop watching, or question why that network's official policy is that there's no such thing as climate change? Somehow, I doubt it. Not any different than the leaders of the green movement is getting f***ing rich off of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 23, 2010 -> 11:17 AM) Not any different than the leaders of the green movement is getting f***ing rich off of it... So, in other words, you now agree that no one will have any problem with ads sponsored indirectly by foreign governments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 23, 2010 -> 10:19 AM) So, in other words, you now agree that no one will have any problem with ads sponsored indirectly by foreign governments. Honestly it is much easier to manipulate peoples xenophobia's and racism than anything. If you start screaming about non-white, non-American's being behind something, there will be enough of the population who will be upset by it. Besides, it is not like foreign powers trying to manipulate our politics would even be new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 23, 2010 -> 11:31 AM) Honestly it is much easier to manipulate peoples xenophobia's and racism than anything. If you start screaming about non-white, non-American's being behind something, there will be enough of the population who will be upset by it. Besides, it is not like foreign powers trying to manipulate our politics would even be new. So basically, you're arguing that the people who the xenophobes already support can do just about anything, like have their private news network owned by a Saudi Prince, but if there were another party, they'd get tons of crap if the same thing happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 23, 2010 -> 12:12 PM) So basically, you're arguing that the people who the xenophobes already support can do just about anything, like have their private news network owned by a Saudi Prince, but if there were another party, they'd get tons of crap if the same thing happened. Because we all know that Muslims don't get people excited at all... Or are the instances of Muslims being targeted that are trumpeted all of the time in this very thread not true or relevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 23, 2010 -> 02:08 PM) Because we all know that Muslims don't get people excited at all... Or are the instances of Muslims being targeted that are trumpeted all of the time in this very thread not true or relevant? They're only targeted if they're not rich enough to own part of Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 23, 2010 -> 01:42 PM) They're only targeted if they're not rich enough to own part of Fox. And I am sure that Fox has no enemies who wouldn't be willing to exploit those exact same fears during an election... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 23, 2010 -> 02:48 PM) And I am sure that Fox has no enemies who wouldn't be willing to exploit those exact same fears during an election... And yet...it hasn't happened yet. Fascinating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 perhaps one side believes we shouldn't vilify muslims for merely being muslim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 23, 2010 -> 01:52 PM) And yet...it hasn't happened yet. Fascinating. We also haven't had it be relevant until this election. You have seen how the left wing freaked out about half of this ruling. I have no doubts that if this happens, it will be all over every single anti-fox news website out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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