Proved 1 thing...they didn't contain the proof Dick Cheney said they contained.

I already knew Cheney was talking out of his ass though. That's just a sunk cost whenever his name is brought up, factored into the equation already.

Proved 1 thing...they didn't contain the proof Dick Cheney said they contained.

You're so quick to believe what you want to where any of this stuff is concerned. There's still a lot of junk not released and who the heck knows when it will be.

 

 

You're so quick to believe what you want to where any of this stuff is concerned. There's still a lot of junk not released and who the heck knows when it will be.

This is why I said the status quo hasn't changed though. The right will say "see!" and the left will say "see!" The document is ambiguous as hell.

You're so quick to believe what you want to where any of this stuff is concerned. There's still a lot of junk not released and who the heck knows when it will be.

You know why? Read Cheney's statement. He didn't reference anything else secret. He didn't do anything that acknowledge what was actually in those documents. He basically admitted that they didn't show what they said he showed, but then tried to obscure it by putting out a perfectly worded statement. Even he knew that the jig was up. If there was anything else in there that they'd gotten from what they'd done to the U.S., he'd have made another vague reference to it and the media would have went along.

You know why? Read Cheney's statement. He didn't reference anything else secret. He didn't do anything that acknowledge what was actually in those documents. He basically admitted that they didn't show what they said he showed, but then tried to obscure it by putting out a perfectly worded statement. Even he knew that the jig was up. If there was anything else in there that they'd gotten from what they'd done to the U.S., he'd have made another vague reference to it and the media would have went along.

I tend to think like lostfan here.

I tend to think like lostfan here.

What, that Cheney is and always has been FOS?

What, that Cheney is and always has been FOS?

That the latest release doesn't change anything, and I STILL don't think people know the whole story of anything. It's politicized too badly on both ends. This is the biggest hour glass turd in the last 25 years. Let's keep on stuffing both sides of the hour glass pipe with crap, shall we?

In an interview on NPR this morning, Michael Steele revealed that he does not know what the word "nuanced" means.

 

Also, he talked out of both sides of his ass the entire time. "Government health care is awful! It'll be the death of us all!" "They want to raid Medicare! It's important to have that last line of health coverage for seniors!" "We can't have government interfering with health care!" "Insurance companies need more regulation!"

In an interview on NPR this morning, Michael Steele revealed that he does not know what the word "nuanced" means.

 

Also, he talked out of both sides of his ass the entire time. "Government health care is awful! It'll be the death of us all!" "They want to raid Medicare! It's important to have that last line of health coverage for seniors!" "We can't have government interfering with health care!" "Insurance companies need more regulation!"

Well, to be fair, Obama speaks out of both sides of his ass every time he speaks about it as well.

In an interview on NPR this morning, Michael Steele revealed that he does not know what the word "nuanced" means.

 

Also, he talked out of both sides of his ass the entire time. "Government health care is awful! It'll be the death of us all!" "They want to raid Medicare! It's important to have that last line of health coverage for seniors!" "We can't have government interfering with health care!" "Insurance companies need more regulation!"

I really think that conservatives as a whole (the everyday rank and file who listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, Palin-listening, Joe the Plumber type people and not necessarily GOP leadership, Steele notwithstanding) don't really know or care about the concept of nuance. They see the world as binary. It's one or the other. Either you support terrorism or you don't. "You're either with us or against us." Logically, if you support terrorism, you need to be arrested/deported/executed/invaded/etc. You're either racist or you're not. The government is bad at everything and the market is always better in every circumstance.

 

People like me are the opposite which is why I run into walls in arguments a lot. I see things in a vacuum and everything as a result of some other circumstance or set of circumstances. Things may be interconnected, or they may not be. To me, falling on "this or that" without knowing all the details is cutting corners. This is why I can tell someone the difference between, say, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and pre-2001 Afghanistan. It also helps avoid making false equivalencies (e.g., Jeremiah Wright and the KKK).

Edited August 27, 200916 yr by lostfan

In the interview, Steele was using both nuanced positions (there's role for goverment regulation) and black-and-white polemics (government suxorz!). Steve Inskeep asked him about the difference and he got offended. "Nuance" is a dirty word in Republican circles, I guess. Maybe Steele genuinely does not know what that word means.

 

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=112281170

Edited August 27, 200916 yr by StrangeSox

Along that line, my mom used to sell Amtrak trips. She had more than a handful of people call in asking for the train to Hawaii.

 

I used to have people call me and ask about cruises to Las Vegas.

You have to wonder if its just phone-trolling.

You have to wonder if its just phone-trolling.

 

Nope, just dumb people.

Nope, just dumb people.

 

You never did answer me about the Vegas cruise

You never did answer me about the Vegas cruise

 

Oh sorry, but that was because you wanted a balcony cabin on the Staten Island Ferry instead.

Is using a minotaur to gore detainees a form of torture?

Oh sorry, but that was because you wanted a balcony cabin on the Staten Island Ferry instead.

 

That's all right. I got the Amtrak tour to the Bahamas instead.

Is using a minotaur to gore detainees a form of torture?

lol, this is awesome

This is great:

 

Glenn Beck goes on a rant using "hidden words" about Obama and how they all have a deep meaning, then cant figure out how to spell Oligarchy properly...

 

OLIGARHY is not a word!

Edited August 28, 200916 yr by Athomeboy_2000

This is great:

 

Glenn Beck goes on a rant using "hidden words" about Obama and how they all have a deep meaning, then cant figure out how to spell Oligarchy properly...

 

OLIGARHY is not a word!

*YAWN*

 

Link. Did Democrats contending for serious political positions at the state level keep making jokes about shooting Bush? WTF makes this OK?

Dick Cheney still bitter that laws exist, blames democrats for it.

 

That's not the actual headline, but it probably should be.

Edited August 30, 200916 yr by whitesoxfan101

This is great:

 

Glenn Beck goes on a rant using "hidden words" about Obama and how they all have a deep meaning, then cant figure out how to spell Oligarchy properly...

 

OLIGARHY is not a word!

 

awesome.. beck is such a jag

he seems manic depressive or something.