caulfield12 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 (edited) I'm off for a while, but here's what I can tell you: I think Roberts would sign an extension if there is a tentative deal in place. The Sox would have 48 hours to strike a deal under this scenario. No surprise that Baltimore finally has warmed to the idea of moving him, this could have happened sooner had talks with Vazquez and Atlanta fallen apart. I still think Dye will be moved, although the glut of corner outfielders on the market limits KW's options. With one year left on Thome's deal and two on Konerko's contract, it's possible Viciedo could be a DH if he's limited on defense. But I'm hearing he's got a solid arm. response back from Trib's M. Gonzales on the deal....hope this helps Edited January 4, 2009 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Who in the heck is going to pitch with Vazquez and Floyd both gone? I don't get this one. We have Beckham in the wings. Getz deserves a shot. Don't understand why you get rid of Floyd. He just turned the corner last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 3, 2009 -> 07:50 PM) I'm off for a while, but here's what I can tell you: I think Roberts would sign an extension if there is a tentative deal in place. The Sox would have 48 hours to strike a deal under this scenario. No surprise that Baltimore finally has warmed to the idea of moving him, this could have happened sooner had talks with Vazquez and Atlanta fallen apart. I still think Dye will be moved, although the glut of corner outfielders on the market limits KW's options. With one year left on Thome's deal and two on Konerko's contract, it's possible Viciedo could be a DH if he's limited on defense. But I'm hearing he's got a solid arm. response back from Trib's M. Gonzales on the deal....hope this helps Not sure what to read into that caulfield. My impression is that he doesn't know anymore about the Roberts situation than we do, and he's just speculating what might happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 3, 2009 -> 07:50 PM) I'm off for a while, but here's what I can tell you: I think Roberts would sign an extension if there is a tentative deal in place. The Sox would have 48 hours to strike a deal under this scenario. No surprise that Baltimore finally has warmed to the idea of moving him, this could have happened sooner had talks with Vazquez and Atlanta fallen apart. I still think Dye will be moved, although the glut of corner outfielders on the market limits KW's options. With one year left on Thome's deal and two on Konerko's contract, it's possible Viciedo could be a DH if he's limited on defense. But I'm hearing he's got a solid arm. response back from Trib's M. Gonzales on the deal....hope this helps what was it that you sent him? did you ask about a specific scenario (as in... "if this and this is happening, then ___ " Or is he just openly hinting that it has legs? Edited January 4, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 If Gonzales knows anything (I don't know if he has good connections or not), it seems that this type of deal would be predicated by the Sox dealing Dye, trading Floyd, and then resigning Roberts to an extension. One would then assume the Sox go out and sign Abreu, have Alexei start off at SS with the intention of moving him any given place where the team may need him in the future (I'd say either keeping him at SS with Beckham moving to 3B or Alexei to CF with Beckham staying at SS...it also doesn't rule out a potential dealing of Beckham and/or any of the other infielders the Sox have in the system). The lineup might very well be the best in the AL Central, but the pitching staff would struggle big time. Roberts - 2B Abreu - RF Quentin - LF Thome - DH Konerko - 1B Pierzynski - C Ramirez - SS Fields - 3B Anderson - CF Buehrle Danks pitcher acquired for Dye veteran retread/young pitcher young pitcher it all seems like a huge long shot to me in the long run, but mainly just trading for Roberts. Dye may or may not be traded either way and I'd put it at about 50/50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I'm not going to put a lot of thought into analysis here because I just don't believe it will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 QUOTE (YASNY @ Jan 4, 2009 -> 12:29 AM) I'm not going to put a lot of thought into analysis here because I just don't believe it will happen. It doesn't make sense unless Roberts signs an extension and I doubt that will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 3, 2009 -> 10:38 PM) If Gonzales knows anything (I don't know if he has good connections or not), it seems that this type of deal would be predicated by the Sox dealing Dye, trading Floyd, and then resigning Roberts to an extension. One would then assume the Sox go out and sign Abreu, have Alexei start off at SS with the intention of moving him any given place where the team may need him in the future (I'd say either keeping him at SS with Beckham moving to 3B or Alexei to CF with Beckham staying at SS...it also doesn't rule out a potential dealing of Beckham and/or any of the other infielders the Sox have in the system). The lineup might very well be the best in the AL Central, but the pitching staff would struggle big time. Roberts - 2B Abreu - RF Quentin - LF Thome - DH Konerko - 1B Pierzynski - C Ramirez - SS Fields - 3B Anderson - CF Buehrle Danks pitcher acquired for Dye veteran retread/young pitcher young pitcher it all seems like a huge long shot to me in the long run, but mainly just trading for Roberts. Dye may or may not be traded either way and I'd put it at about 50/50. It'd be beyond weird to have a semi athletic lineup. Definitely love the looks of that lineup, you just can't win with that pitching staff though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmywins1 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Maybe the Sox are considering moving Gordon Beckham to CF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 QUOTE (Jimmywins1 @ Jan 4, 2009 -> 09:57 PM) Maybe the Sox are considering moving Gordon Beckham to CF? That would be beyond dumb, as one of the pluses with Slayer is the offense he provides as a middle infielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 QUOTE (Jimmywins1 @ Jan 4, 2009 -> 03:57 PM) Maybe the Sox are considering moving Gordon Beckham to CF? Not enough green in the world for this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmywins1 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 4, 2009 -> 04:58 PM) That would be beyond dumb, as one of the pluses with Slayer is the offense he provides as a middle infielder. Sorry about that, epic brain fail there. If they could get a suitable pitcher to replace Floyd, it'd make sense to sign Roberts to a 2-3 year extension and shift ALEXEI to CF once Becks is ready to take over at SS, since they're playing him there in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 The problem is that Beckham is iffy at best projected as a major league shortstop in terms of arm, range and overall ability...most think his skill set profiles best as a 2B, but we'll find out soon enough with a full season of play at that position in Birmingham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmywins1 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I've read that he has above average range and arm strength, and that his hands were the only problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Want2Repeat Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I would love to have Roberts, but this would make little sense, unless they tink Floyd's year was a fluke. Remember, that Mr. Beckham is likely not far away. Why sign a big contract with Roberts, in that case, unless you think Beckhham will go to 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 QUOTE (Want2Repeat @ Jan 4, 2009 -> 08:38 PM) I would love to have Roberts, but this would make little sense, unless they tink Floyd's year was a fluke. Remember, that Mr. Beckham is likely not far away. Why sign a big contract with Roberts, in that case, unless you think Beckhham will go to 3rd. I dont understand why everyone is thinkin "oh no we cant extend roberts contract cause it'll block Beckham" last i check becks was goin into the season as the SS in B-ham, why would they put him there if they are not intending on using him as a ss in the bigs....look what this lineup could look like next year(lets say we trade dye and sign abreu) 1. Roberts 2b 2. Becks SS 3. TCQ RF 4. Thome DH 5. Kong 1b 6. Abreu LF 7. Lexi CF 8. AJP C 9. Fields 3b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Jan 4, 2009 -> 11:52 PM) 1. Roberts 2b 2. Becks SS 3. TCQ RF 4. Thome DH 5. Kong 1b 6. Abreu LF 7. Lexi CF 8. AJP C 9. Fields 3b Real nice to me. Even if it's Dye instead of Abreu. I think you do that and then hope a pitcher or two steps up. That's how weak the division is. Pitcher performances are volatile but once you have top of the order all set, you eliminate a lot of net team-volatility. Edited January 5, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Of course above all that, I think the Orioles blew it and now cant get great offers for Roberts. So you have to let that play out if you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 4, 2009 -> 05:30 PM) The problem is that Beckham is iffy at best projected as a major league shortstop in terms of arm, range and overall ability...most think his skill set profiles best as a 2B, but we'll find out soon enough with a full season of play at that position in Birmingham. Actually his arm and ability has been said to be sufficient at the major league level, his range was the only thing SOME scouts have questioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Okay...well, most feel he would/will be an "average" major league shortstop from a defensively standpoint. Also, it seems that 2B is more likely to be his eventual destination than 3B. I guess I'll leave it up for Birmingham fans to give firsthand accounts of his play on a consistent, day-to-day basis. Arm Strength: His arm grades out as average to a tick above and plays fine from shortstop. Fielding: He's a very natural defender, but he's fighting his size a bit at short and might profile better as a second baseman. Range: He has above-average range. from mlb.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Bruuuuuuuuuuce just said that this rumor is ridiculous...you don't trade a cheap 17-game winner for a rental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 MLB Hot Stove discussed this rumor and they understood it as Floyd plus and infielder and by the body language of the analyst, he thought that was as ridiculous as Soxtalk does. He thought it was very iffy due to asking price. I think KW may be driving up the price the northside would have to pay. Other Sox related stuff I can remember... Griffey to Seattle or Tampa Bay with 3 other mystery teams. AL central preview mentioned the Sox would rely on TCQ and the missile to step up. Then talked about losing Griffey, OC, Swish,JV, and Crede. One analyst pointed out that KW has shown the ability to be a team in transition and add youth and speed where he felt the game was heading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I imagine if the Sox and O's were talking that they did ask for an infielder as well, all driven by Angelos. The dude asks for a ton in return for trades, especially his stars. Tejada wasn't traded for any big time prospects and it was after the Mitchell Report came out, and on top of that his contract was pretty mediocre for an overrated infielder, and he still got 5 players out of the Astros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Not close at all. KW hasn't spoken to Balt. Since November. per Mark Gonzales today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baines3 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Roberts would be good to have but I sure wouldn't give up Gavin Floyd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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