September 22, 200916 yr QUOTE (Kalapse @ Sep 21, 2009 -> 08:21 PM) Greinke's 204 ERA+ is the 29th highest ever for a starting pitcher and 10th highest since 1990. 2nd highest by a starter not named Clemens, Martinez or Maddux since 1990 5th highest by a starter not named Clemens, Martinez or Maddux since 1950 (Gibson, Gooden, Brown, Guidry ahead of him) 7th highest by an AL starter since 1950 (only 3 pitchers ahead of him: Martinez (3), Clemens (2), Guidry (1)) Yeah, he's getting into rarefied air Would Greinke not winning the CY be more of an abomination than Santana not getting it in 2005? I'd say yes.
September 22, 200916 yr QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 21, 2009 -> 08:52 PM) Would Greinke not winning the CY be more of an abomination than Santana not getting it in 2005? I'd say yes. Only if it's anyone but Felix beating him out.
September 22, 200916 yr When does Greinke end up on the Yankees/Red Sox/big payroll team? Either by signing or trade.
September 22, 200916 yr QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 21, 2009 -> 11:45 PM) When does Greinke end up on the Yankees/Red Sox/big payroll team? Either by signing or trade. Well they locked him up through 2012 about 8 months ago and he pretty much is their franchise right now so you'd HOPE he'd stick around for at least the next 3 years. You probably can't say the same for Felix, however. There's a damn good chance he only makes 3 more starts in a Mariners uniform before being dealt to a big market this offseason. He has 2 years of arbitration eligibility remaining so his trade value will be significantly higher this winter as opposed to next (much like Bedard 2 years ago, kind of ironic I suppose) when he'd be only 6 months away from an ungodly pay raise on the open market. He'll be coming off his age 25 season when he hits free agency in 2012 and pending injury he could be the best pitcher in the game at that point, I can't even imagine what kind of money he's going to be looking at.
September 22, 200916 yr QUOTE (Kalapse @ Sep 22, 2009 -> 01:23 AM) Well they locked him up through 2012 about 8 months ago and he pretty much is their franchise right now so you'd HOPE he'd stick around for at least the next 3 years. You probably can't say the same for Felix, however. There's a damn good chance he only makes 3 more starts in a Mariners uniform before being dealt to a big market this offseason. He has 2 years of arbitration eligibility remaining so his trade value will be significantly higher this winter as opposed to next (much like Bedard 2 years ago, kind of ironic I suppose) when he'd be only 6 months away from an ungodly pay raise on the open market. He'll be coming off his age 25 season when he hits free agency in 2012 and pending injury he could be the best pitcher in the game at that point, I can't even imagine what kind of money he's going to be looking at. The story that Hawk and Stoney were telling while we were in SEA is that they were going to try to lock him up long term, and if he wouldn't agree, he would be dealt this winter.
September 22, 200916 yr I hadn't thought about it, but I always thought Clemens got hosed a couple seasons ago with a sub 2.0 ERA, now that we know he may have juiced, I'm rather happy he didn't win it.
September 22, 200916 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 22, 2009 -> 08:27 AM) The story that Hawk and Stoney were telling while we were in SEA is that they were going to try to lock him up long term, and if he wouldn't agree, he would be dealt this winter. This is probably the time to do it if you're Seattle. Coming off the season he's just had, still pre-arb, teams like Boston and NY holding a bunch of talented youngsters that you can pilfer, and you're smack in the middle of a multi-year rebuilding process where he really doesn't help you. You gotta fleece whoever you deal with though.
September 23, 200916 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2009 -> 08:59 PM) 6 scoreless, 2 hit innings for Greinke vs. the Red Sox tonight. Yeah, that lowers his ERA to 2.08 on the year. With 14 IP and 1 ER over his final 2 outings he'll finish with a 1.99 ERA With 9.1 IP and 0 ER over his final 2 outings he'll finish with a 1.99 ERA If he does what he did tonight over his final 2 outings: 12 IP and 0 ER he'll finish with a 1.97 ERA.
September 23, 200916 yr Author Tuesday... Greinke: W #15, 6 innings, 2 hits, 0 runs, 3 walks, 5 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA down to 2.08
September 23, 200916 yr I love the phrase "ERA Down to 2.08". Anyway...that's a couple consecutive wins for ZG. Up to 15 on the season. That argument, that he's not "Winning games" suddenly looking weaker.
September 26, 200916 yr http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Aojr...o&type=lgns Seattle’s Felix Hernandez has credentials that should make him no worse than a co-favorite with Kansas City’s Zack Greinke for the AL Cy Young Award. Hernandez is 6-1 with a 1.94 ERA in his last 11 starts, is second overall in ERA (2.49), tied for second in wins (17) and fourth in strikeouts (207). For an extended portion of the season, Hernandez even put up better numbers than Greinke, who is 7-7 with a 2.74 ERA since May 31, while Hernandez is 13-2 with a 1.93 ERA in 23 starts since May 24. Both pitchers have two starts left, and judgment may be reserved until the end of the season, but here’s why Greinke holds the edge: He started the season in otherworldly fashion (8-1 with an 0.84 ERA in his first 10 starts) and is ending it the same way. In his last six starts beginning with a 15-K win over the Indians, Greinke is 4-0 with an 0.63 ERA. No pitcher in the AL can point to two such stretches of dominance.
September 28, 200916 yr Greinke's down to 2.06 after 7 innings of 1 ER run work today. He gave up his one buffer run so he now needs 7 shutout innings in his final start to finish the season with an ERA of 1.9927 or 1.99 after rounding it off. It would be only the 29th time since 1950 that a starting pitcher finished the season with a sub-2 ERA in 200+ IP and only the 15th AL pitcher to do it over that span, only the 10th time for either league in the past 30 years and 3rd time in the AL over that span.
September 28, 200916 yr QUOTE (Kalapse @ Sep 27, 2009 -> 10:06 PM) Greinke's down to 2.06 after 7 innings of 1 ER run work today. He gave up his one buffer run so he now needs 7 shutout innings in his final start to finish the season with an ERA of 1.9927 or 1.99 after rounding it off. It would be only the 29th time since 1950 that a starting pitcher finished the season with a sub-2 ERA in 200+ IP and only the 15th AL pitcher to do it over that span, only the 10th time for either league in the past 30 years and 3rd time in the AL over that span. He can't lose if he can get under 2.00.
September 28, 200916 yr You would think Greinke pitched for the Sox with the support he's been getting around here of late. Not sure Royals message boards (do any exist?) are showing him the love we are.
September 28, 200916 yr Greinke just seems like a good kid. After all he's been through, and the season he's having, he deserves the award.
September 28, 200916 yr I don't know if I've seen a pitcher with a season like this in the past several years, and I really wasn't paying attention when Pedro did his thing.
September 28, 200916 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 28, 2009 -> 11:18 AM) I don't know if I've seen a pitcher with a season like this in the past several years, and I really wasn't paying attention when Pedro did his thing. Too bad for you. Pedro's '99 and '00 seasons put Greinke's '09 to shame.
September 28, 200916 yr QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Sep 28, 2009 -> 11:16 AM) Greinke just seems like a good kid. After all he's been through, and the season he's having, he deserves the award. KC deserves the award, too. With their many...MANY years of putrescence. They need something to hang their hat on for a while.
September 28, 200916 yr Author Thursday... Hernandez: W #17, 8 innings, 7 hits, 4 runs (3 earned), 2 walks, 11 strikeouts, 1 home run. ERA up to 2.49 Verlander: W #17, 7 innings, 7 hits, 2 runs (earned), 2 walks, 11 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA down to 3.41 Friday... Halladay: W #16, 9 innings, 7 hits, 0 runs, 0 walks, 9 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA down to 2.90 Saturday... Sabathia: W #19, 7 innings, 1 hit, 0 runs, 2 walks, 8 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA down to 3.21 Sunday... Greinke: W #16, 7 innings, 7 hits, 1 run (earned), 2 walks, 8 strikeouts, 0 home runs. ERA down to 2.06
September 28, 200916 yr QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 21, 2009 -> 08:52 PM) Would Greinke not winning the CY be more of an abomination than Santana not getting it in 2005? I'd say yes. Even more so. It's between C.C., Felix, and Greinke. Colon was nowhere near as good as any of those three back in 2005.
September 28, 200916 yr If Greinke does indeed win it, it'll be the fourth straight year in which the winner of the Cy Young in the AL has come out of the Central. It would have been 6 years had Santana won it in 05 like he should have. Pretty interesting stuff. Edited September 28, 200916 yr by chw42
October 3, 200916 yr Grienke cruising again. If he doesn't win, I'll riot. If he was on Boston or NY, it wouldn't be an arguement
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.