GLOAD is GOD Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Obviously, with the team thankfully playing better, this idea doesn't hold as much water. Now, Kenny looks to be shaking things up in the pitching department, before making any serious changes to the current offensive and defensive alignments. However, I think a guy Kenny absolutely needs to make a phone call about is Ryan Zimmerman. He's been the face of a miserable franchise for the past 4 years, and the only factor I could see holding up a deal is fear of alienating the Nationals fan base even further. Before everyone goes nuts, I know that any GM would tell you, "What team wouldn't want Zimmerman?" and I could even see the term 'untouchable' being thrown around. Although he is still very young, he is a lifetime .284 hitter and seems bound for "really nice career" status as oppose to the lofty Hall of Fame promises and acolaydes he was receiving several years ago. With that said, I think the White Sox would be a phenomenal fit/match. The odds are nothing comes together in the next week and 1/2, but I think this idea could still be relevant in the offseason. The nationals need to show some signs of life, and we would give them the opportunity to patch several holes in replace of the "Face of the Franchise" of a .400 win % team. Do you guys think a package of Getz, Poreda, and Flowers would at least get the tires kicking? This way an infield of: 3B - Zimmerman SS - Ramirez 2B - Beckham 1B - Pauly I really think a potential match up of the Sox and Nationals could be a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmywins1 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 That's actually a really solid idea, Zimmerman plays excellent D at 3rd and provides a solid bat that would do well in the Cell. I don't want to deal Flowers though, I'd offer a package built around Poreda, Getz and Clayton Richard. Three guys I just don't want to see traded are Tyler Flowers, Jordan Danks and Dan Hudson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Nationals aren't trading Zimmerman. They just signed him to a cheap extension, and he's the only competent ball player they have on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Zimmerman just signed a 4 year 52 mil extension. The Nats should disband their entire front office if they just deal him away(they should do it anyways, but thats besides the point) not gonna happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 I thought you were going to suggest Dunn, which I wouldn't mind, but any team's chances at getting Ryan Zimmerman from the Nats are slim and none and slim is leaving the building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Zimmerman's basically the 1 guy that's untouchable on that team. They should be looking at dealing the likes of Willingham and Dunn for spects ASAP though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 I thought for sure this would be a thread suggesting we re-acquire Ross Gload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 08:25 AM) Zimmerman's basically the 1 guy that's untouchable on that team. I don't expect them to be moving that Strasbourg kid any time soon either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLOAD is GOD Posted July 23, 2009 Author Share Posted July 23, 2009 But if you look at where they would need help.....definitely up the middle. The verdict is still out on Getz and they need middle infielders. The catchers on their roster are dismal, not sure about depth in their system, but Flowers would have to be an attractive piece at catcher for them. Then with Poreda, what team doesn't need upside arms? I think the untouchable quality of Zimmerman is only because of the team he plays on, he hasn't been out of this world. He's not really at David Wright's level or anything like that. He's just a really nice player at this point. I think we have the young talent, to objectively make them a better team at several spots. You gotta give something to get something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:41 AM) I don't expect them to be moving that Strasbourg kid any time soon either. That's if they sign him... and right now, that's a big if. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:14 AM) Nationals aren't trading Zimmerman. They just signed him to a cheap extension, and he's the only competent ball player they have on the team. Really? 40 HRs for 5 straight years (and on his way to the 6th), over 100 walks for 5 straight years, and a career OPS+ of 131 does nothing for you? Why because he strikesout a lot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 11:41 AM) Really? 40 HRs for 5 straight years (and on his way to the 6th), over 100 walks for 5 straight years, and a career OPS+ of 131 does nothing for you? Why because he strikesout a lot? Wait, what? Who we talking about here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 11:43 AM) Wait, what? Who we talking about here? http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dunnad01.shtml Adam Dunn I know his defense isn't good, but he's a competent ballplayer, as is Lannan and Nick Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 11:46 AM) http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dunnad01.shtml Adam Dunn I know his defense isn't good, but he's a competent ballplayer, as is Lannan and Nick Johnson I'm not sure where the Sox would get Dunn into the lineup if Q is healthy. I'd love to get Zimmerman. The Nats can't give him up without a fan revolt even though the Sox could offer a package that would make both teams better. Nice trade idea though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 QUOTE (103 mph screwball @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 11:58 AM) I'm not sure where the Sox would get Dunn into the lineup if Q is healthy. I'd love to get Zimmerman. The Nats can't give him up without a fan revolt even though the Sox could offer a package that would make both teams better. Nice trade idea though. If the Sox let Dye or Thome go I would like the Sox to see if they can get Dunn in the offseason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 11:41 AM) Really? 40 HRs for 5 straight years (and on his way to the 6th), over 100 walks for 5 straight years, and a career OPS+ of 131 does nothing for you? Why because he strikesout a lot? Where are you seeing that BearSox said that Zimmerman does nothing for him? He just said that Zimmerman was the only competent player on the team and that he is untouchable. I think there was another post that said something like that, but it must have been deleted. Dont think it was Bearsox though edit: I just saw your reply Edited July 23, 2009 by KyYlE23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 12:04 PM) Where are you seeing that BearSox said that Zimmerman does nothing for him? He just said that Zimmerman was the only competent player on the team and that he is untouchable. I think there was another post that said something like that, but it must have been deleted. Dont think it was Bearsox though edit: I just saw your reply exactly, maybe should have put Dunn's name in my original post, I was just trying to point out that there's another no brainer good player, offensively at least, on the team, hence not giving the name originally. In fact there were 3 other competent players I thought of automatically on that team including Dunn Edited July 23, 2009 by SoxFan562004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prochisox Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 (edited) John Lannon would be a perfect fit for our Sox. Edited July 23, 2009 by GO CHI SOX! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilmot825 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Tyler Flowers goes nowhere except to the big club next year or 2 years...he wont be traded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Bring the band back together and get Willie Harris for 2B and back up CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 11:46 AM) http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dunnad01.shtml Adam Dunn I know his defense isn't good, but he's a competent ballplayer, as is Lannan and Nick Johnson Okay, I get your response. I was just trying to point out how terrible the Nats are, and while the likes of Dunn and Johnson are decent-good, on any other team, there'd be a whole lot more good baseball players. Also, Lannan does nothing for me. He has stuff comparable to Jamie Moyer of now, and that .270 opponents BA leaves a lot to be desired. He'd be a 4 or 5 on most teams, but he's the Nats ACE! Edited July 24, 2009 by BearSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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