knightni Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 10, 2009 -> 06:42 PM) The Yankees, etc., may be stacked with talent, but you put us in a best of 5/best of 7 series against any team in the league, if our starting pitchers are healthy, we can hang with them. Until the hitters stop hitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 10, 2009 -> 03:42 PM) Until the hitters stop hitting. That's when Willie Harris comes off the bench and steals 2nd, and we knock him in with an 8th inning ground ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 10, 2009 -> 11:42 PM) The Yankees, etc., may be stacked with talent, but you put us in a best of 5/best of 7 series against any team in the league, if our starting pitchers are healthy, we can hang with them. Not without better defense and a more versatile offense. The sox don't have the guys--position players-- with the upside or the talent to hang with the best teams in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 QUOTE (beck72 @ Oct 10, 2009 -> 03:46 PM) Not without better defense and a more versatile offense. The sox don't have the guys--position players-- with the upside or the talent to hang with the best teams in baseball. Frankly, I simply don't buy that at all. The team's defense is already going to be upgraded a fair amount next year hopefully just from guys getting more experienced at their positions. Their offense was crap this year, but think of the AB's lost by Quentin, the AB's wasted on Wise, Fields, Anderson, the terrible years by JD, Rios, etc. The odds are that some of that isn't repeated. There's still a hole in the OF and at DH that needs filled, this team isn't going to be nearly as bad next year with the bats as this team was even if very little changes. Â The thing that we need is a bullpen to be able to hang through the 7th-8th-9th innings regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 10, 2009 -> 01:34 PM) The way they have been babying Buerhle the last couple of years(I know he's still getting 200+ innings) it has to make you wonder if they think he is about ready to fade, plus he gets $14 million a year and Ozzie made it a point that he may be the #4 guy next year. It may be a PR nightmare but baseball genius to move him out and fill a few other spots. At some point next season, AJP and Buerhle become 5/10 men. Â I don't see how they've been "babying" Mark, but you make a good point here. I think that we've seen his best, and I don't foresee him putting up another season like 2005 again (even a repeat of 2007 may be a stretch). Considering the development of Floyd, Danks, and Hudson and the fact that Peavy's now in the mix, it doesn't make much sense to continue to pay our 3rd or 4th best pitcher $14M/year. If the Sox are out of it in July, I'd definitely shop him for a good young hitter and a couple of other prospects. Edited October 11, 2009 by WCSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 10, 2009 -> 03:34 PM) At some point next season, AJP and Buerhle become 5/10 men. If the Sox re-up with Dye, something nobody mentions, he will have full no trade rights. That's another reason to color him gone. Pierzynski: June 24th Buehrle: July 16th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 04:33 PM) This is by far the best post in this thread. I love how it got no responses because it insulted the masses. I'm with you on this one dude. This pitching staff is too special to not spend 100 Million. If we overspend and field the correct team, the attendence spike when we start 35-10 will surely pay for these players. And it starts with Bobby in the back. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 10, 2009 -> 07:22 PM) Pierzynski: June 24th Buehrle: July 16th  The AJ 5/10 rights is almost meaningless. Its very unlikely we try and trade him by the deadline anyway and hes a free agent after 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 It'll get shot down like everywhere else I've posted it, but why not Juan Pierre? He's LA's 4th OF, I'm sure he wouldn't be too hard to acquire, he does have a hefty contract though. Â 2009 Line: Games: 145 Average .308 OBP: .365 Stolen Bases: 30/42 (Wish it was higher) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 02:31 AM) It'll get shot down like everywhere else I've posted it, but why not Juan Pierre? He's LA's 4th OF, I'm sure he wouldn't be too hard to acquire, he does have a hefty contract though. 2009 Line: Games: 145 Average .308 OBP: .365 Stolen Bases: 30/42 (Wish it was higher)  A possible Linebrink for Pierre swap has been discussed, the idea of Fathom actually. Might not be a bad idea if someone offers Podsednik a deal we are not interested in matching. Problem is, if Dotel is going, we're going to need to get some kind of production out of Linebrink or else we're really going to be in trouble.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Side Z Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 (edited) A possible Linebrink for Pierre swap has been discussed, the idea of Fathom actually. Might not be a bad idea if someone offers Podsednik a deal we are not interested in matching. Problem is, if Dotel is going, we're going to need to get some kind of production out of Linebrink or else we're really going to be in trouble.. Â Â Linebrink for Pierre, Im not fan of at all,Don't like trading bad contracts for bad contracts and i think Linebrink will have a BIG year in 2010............He's due. Edited October 12, 2009 by East Side Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 QUOTE (East Side Z @ Oct 12, 2009 -> 11:20 AM) Linebrink for Pierre, Im not fan of at all,Don't like trading bad contracts for bad contracts and i think Linebrink will have a BIG year in 2010............He's due. Â It's also possible that the Dodgers want to hold onto Pierre. Isn't Manny a FA next year? It's possible that they part ways with him, and it's not like Pierre sucked in his place earlier this year. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Side Z Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 It's also possible that the Dodgers want to hold onto Pierre. Isn't Manny a FA next year? It's possible that they part ways with him, and it's not like Pierre sucked in his place earlier this year. Â I think Manny has a player option for $25 mildo,if Im not mistaken............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 If the Sox are out of it in July, I'd definitely shop him for a good young hitter and a couple of other prospects. Â If the Sox are out of it in July in our cruddy division, people will want heads to roll. It will be ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Side Z Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 If the Sox are out of it in July in our cruddy division, people will want heads to roll. It will be ugly. Â Â I think the biggest question mark and or worry for us Sox fans in 2010 is Rios.I belive the the season will be determind on how well he plays from day one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 12, 2009 -> 12:06 PM) If the Sox are out of it in July in our cruddy division, people will want heads to roll. It will be ugly. Â Since everybody would be pissed off anyway, that would be a good time to deal Mark. He'd net a very nice package of young players. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simba43 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 03:31 PM) It'll get shot down like everywhere else I've posted it, but why not Juan Pierre? He's LA's 4th OF, I'm sure he wouldn't be too hard to acquire, he does have a hefty contract though. i agree with you maybe a trade that sends linebrink to the dodgers then pierres contract would be like 5 mil i for one like the idea 2009 Line: Games: 145 Average .308 OBP: .365 Stolen Bases: 30/42 (Wish it was higher) Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 12, 2009 -> 02:06 PM) If the Sox are out of it in July in our cruddy division, people will want heads to roll. It will be ugly. Â That's almost impossible. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 02:31 AM) It'll get shot down like everywhere else I've posted it, but why not Juan Pierre? He's LA's 4th OF, I'm sure he wouldn't be too hard to acquire, he does have a hefty contract though. 2009 Line: Games: 145 Average .308 OBP: .365 Stolen Bases: 30/42 (Wish it was higher)  That is nearly identical to what Pods put up last year, in a month less with the big club.  132 game, .304 average, .353 OBP, and 30-43 SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 14, 2009 -> 12:00 PM) That is nearly identical to what Pods put up last year, in a month less with the big club. 132 game, .304 average, .353 OBP, and 30-43 SB And in both cases, they apparently needed to be more selective in when to attempt steals. I like stolen bases, but you need to do it at a better clip than that to be of value. I'd rather have a guy go 20/22 (like Getz) than 30/43. There are very few baserunners who can steal at an effective rate (say, 75%+, give or take), on 30+ attempts. Only a very few, very elite guys can do that for more than one aberrant season.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 14, 2009 -> 12:03 PM) And in both cases, they apparently needed to be more selective in when to attempt steals. I like stolen bases, but you need to do it at a better clip than that to be of value. I'd rather have a guy go 20/22 (like Getz) than 30/43. There are very few baserunners who can steal at an effective rate (say, 75%+, give or take), on 30+ attempts. Only a very few, very elite guys can do that for more than one aberrant season. Â My feeling is that we don't need to use $10 million on another Pods, when we can have him for a few million dollars in all likelihood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 14, 2009 -> 12:26 PM) My feeling is that we don't need to use $10 million on another Pods, when we can have him for a few million dollars in all likelihood. I agree, there, I'd rather go Pods cheap-ish for a year or year plus than Pierre at 8 figures. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/base...gels/index.html  Abreu rejected a 2 year 16m extension from the Angels, so there's your starting point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Oct 16, 2009 -> 08:00 AM) http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/base...gels/index.html Abreu rejected a 2 year 16m extension from the Angels, so there's your starting point  Sounds like he wants as much money as he can get. That means that we won't be signing him.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Oct 16, 2009 -> 10:33 AM) Sounds like he wants as much money as he can get. That means that we won't be signing him. Every player wants as much money as they can get. And yet, the Sox still have a team, and still sign players to contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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