December 14, 200916 yr Jon Heyman im being told #halladay will agree on deal with #phillies, which would finalize trade. but not likely to happen today,
December 14, 200916 yr QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 10:30 PM) So is this actually done? Heyman thinks it's pretty much finalized but won't be done for a few days. Heyman is an idiot but I think he actually broke this one.
December 14, 200916 yr QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 03:35 PM) Replacing youth with aging... Right. Cliff Lee: Aug 30, 1978 Roy Halladay: May 14, 1977 That one year is going to make a hellofa difference.
December 14, 200916 yr I maybe in the minority, but I would rather lock up Cliff Lee at this point than Halladay. I love Roy but Lee is younger and a lefty. Not too many dominant lefties in the league like him.
December 14, 200916 yr QUOTE (Brian @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 10:43 PM) I maybe in the minority, but I would rather lock up Cliff Lee at this point than Halladay. I love Roy but Lee is younger and a lefty. Not too many dominant lefties in the league like him. Lee appears unwilling to be "locked up". He wants to become a FA and get paid. Edited December 14, 200916 yr by chunk23
December 14, 200916 yr QUOTE (chunk23 @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 03:47 PM) Lee appears unwilling to be "locked up". He wants to get become a FA and get paid. And he's a whopping 1 year younger.
December 14, 200916 yr QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 04:42 PM) Right. Cliff Lee: Aug 30, 1978 Roy Halladay: May 14, 1977 That one year is going to make a hellofa difference. Halladay has over 800 more MLB innings though.
December 14, 200916 yr Well the NL is certainly spoken for next year (you could probably say that with Lee as well). Lee has been great the last two years. But Halladay has been great the last eight years. And with Halladay reportedly willing to sign an extension, it's a no-brainer for the Phillies. I am very interested to see what prospects the Phils are trading. And the Mariners are going to be DANGEROUS next year. And lol@the Angels. They can't be too happy right about now.
December 14, 200916 yr QUOTE (MattZakrowski @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 03:56 PM) Halladay has over 800 more MLB innings though. I see what you're getting at. But Halladay > Lee. There's just no way around that fact. The Phillies are a better team with Halladay.
December 14, 200916 yr QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 10:57 PM) Well the NL is certainly spoken for next year (you could probably say that with Lee as well). Lee has been great the last two years. But Halladay has been great the last eight years. And with Halladay reportedly willing to sign an extension, it's a no-brainer for the Phillies. I am very interested to see what prospects the Phils are trading. And the Mariners are going to be DANGEROUS next year. And lol@the Angels. They can't be too happy right about now. The Angels are probably looking at a 3rd place finish with how improved the Ms and Rangers are looking. I think the Ms will be a very strong team next year. Mind-blowing defense, strong pitching and a rather balanced offense. They need a power hitter and then they're pretty much a complete team.
December 14, 200916 yr Lee and Hernandez gives the Mariners like, the hands down best 1-2 punch in the playoffs. I'd still like to think the Sox have the best 1-2-3-4 punch though...
December 14, 200916 yr QUOTE (MattZakrowski @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 03:56 PM) Halladay has over 800 more MLB innings though. Did you count the innings when Lee was in the minors in the middle of his career?
December 14, 200916 yr QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 04:15 PM) Did you count the innings when Lee was in the minors in the middle of his career? 850 - 48 = 802 Doesn't make much of a dent.
December 14, 200916 yr QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 04:12 PM) Lee and Hernandez gives the Mariners like, the hands down best 1-2 punch in the playoffs. I'd still like to think the Sox have the best 1-2-3-4 punch though... Definitely one of the best along with Boston, now that they have Lackey.
December 14, 200916 yr QUOTE (chunk23 @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 04:12 PM) The Angels are probably looking at a 3rd place finish with how improved the Ms and Rangers are looking. I think the Ms will be a very strong team next year. Mind-blowing defense, strong pitching and a rather balanced offense. They need a power hitter and then they're pretty much a complete team. besides felix and lee,their rotation isnt that great
December 14, 200916 yr QUOTE (chunk23 @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 04:21 PM) Phillippe Aumont, Michael Taylor named so far. Both are very good prospects. Wow, I figured Brown/Taylor/Drabek were their untouchables. Taylor is a stud.
December 14, 200916 yr QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 11:22 PM) besides felix and lee,their rotation isnt that great The thing is, though, that their defense is capable of making any pitcher look good. Look at Washburn last year with the Ms compared to his numbers with the Tigers.
December 14, 200916 yr QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 04:22 PM) besides felix and lee,their rotation isnt that great What's the story with Bedard? Do they plan on signing him to a cheap, incentive laiden deal or is he out there?
December 15, 200916 yr Career vs NL East Teams (except Philly) Halladay 8-4 3.31ERA (38ER/103.2IP) Lee 5-1 3.24ERA (18ER/50IP)
December 15, 200916 yr QUOTE (G&T @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 03:56 PM) Rosenthal had this scenario a couple days ago. His "hypothetical" had a 3rd team involved to get Lee. Whoa, your post is gone...but preserved forever. You keep beating me to the delete, dude. This is awesome.
December 15, 200916 yr QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 06:24 PM) Career vs NL East Teams (except Philly) Halladay 8-4 3.31ERA (38ER/103.2IP) Lee 5-1 3.24ERA (18ER/50IP) Um, OK? What's this supposed to mean?
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