sircaffey Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 With the recent history of World Series SP struggling mightily the next season after the extensive workload, I'm not surprised to see the Phils make this move. They went through it with Hamels. We went through it with Buehrle. I think this is a smart/safe move for the Phils. Lee threw 272 innings last year, yikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 01:32 AM) Um, OK? What's this supposed to mean? that they both perform very similar in the NL East Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Phillippe Aumont.. a Canadian... hometown guy.. Toronto loves him.. makes sense. I can't believe the Phils got to hold onto Drebak (their top pitching prospect) in all of this. Man Seattle got way more dangerous and it makes sense for the Phillies as Lee was going to test the market and already rejected an extension from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Even still...WTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 07:32 PM) that they both perform very similar in the NL East Good to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-p...p&type=lgns AP source: Phils have tentative deal for Halladay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 08:33 PM) http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-p...p&type=lgns AP source: Phils have tentative deal for Halladay if they give up happ,its a real bad trade i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 08:35 PM) if they give up happ,its a real bad trade i think. Happ and Blanton? lol. So their rotation would be Halladay, Hamels, ?, ?, ?...? I'd just ignore every rumor until there's an official confirmation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 09:20 PM) Happ and Blanton? lol. So their rotation would be Halladay, Hamels, ?, ?, ?...? I'd just ignore every rumor until there's an official confirmation. theyre saying happ or drabek is involved. yea,whatever,doesnt involve us lol Edited December 15, 2009 by Melissa1334 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 09:23 PM) theyre saying happ or drabek is involved. yea,whatever,doesnt involve us lol The article Knight posted mentioned Happ and Blanton. I seriously doubt they trade Drabek after refusing to part with him in July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 09:28 PM) The article Knight posted mentioned Happ and Blanton. I seriously doubt they trade Drabek after refusing to part with him in July. i saw it on mlb rumors, the "9:15" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YonderLaroche Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 (edited) Im sick of hearing about this trade already... it dont make much sense for philly but halladay is slightly better than lee... i don't know why they'd trade top prospects to exchange them though..also cliff lee is about 10 million dollars cheaper in 2010.. Edited December 15, 2009 by b-Rye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (b-Rye @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 09:46 PM) Im sick of hearing about this trade already... it dont make much sense for philly but halladay is slightly better than lee... i don't know why they'd trade top prospects to exchange them though.. also isn't cliff lee's salary way less in 2010??? yea doesnt make much sense to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 09:52 PM) yea doesnt make much sense to me If they don't think they can resign Lee (which they don't), then picking up Halladay + guaranteed 4 years vs. losing Lee after this year is good dealz Edited December 15, 2009 by Jenksy Cat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 10:20 PM) Happ and Blanton? lol. So their rotation would be Halladay, Hamels, ?, ?, ?...? I'd just ignore every rumor until there's an official confirmation. The Phillies new advisors to the GM: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 (edited) I think people should hold off on the criticism till this is final, especially considering there's many rumors saying Aumont/Drebak/Happ etc.. etc.. is or isn't in the deal. Edited December 15, 2009 by SoxAce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 On what has been reported so far, I love what Seattle has done in this deal. Adding Figgins and Lee to that team makes them a legiminate threat in the AL West, especially now that Lackey has signed with Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I do and dont get this deal. By the looks of it, none of the prospects the Phillies are getting in return from the Mariners will be a part of the Halladay deal. However, Phillipe Amounte and Gillies are very good prospects to get in return for Lee. But if I wanted to win now, I would keep Lee, use Drabek, Turner, and other prospect(s) for Halladay, and just dominate the NL with a great offense and the possibly the best rotation in baseball. However, trading Lee while his value is at it's peak is not a bad move. Good move for both the M's and Jays though. This deal can turn be good, bad, or indifferent for the Phillies. Signing Halladay to the extension is what makes the most sense for the Phillies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 11:33 PM) I do and dont get this deal. By the looks of it, none of the prospects the Phillies are getting in return from the Mariners will be a part of the Halladay deal. However, Phillipe Amounte and Gillies are very good prospects to get in return for Lee. But if I wanted to win now, I would keep Lee, use Drabek, Turner, and other prospect(s) for Halladay, and just dominate the NL with a great offense and the possibly the best rotation in baseball. However, trading Lee while his value is at it's peak is not a bad move. Good move for both the M's and Jays though. This deal can turn be good, bad, or indifferent for the Phillies. Signing Halladay to the extension is what makes the most sense for the Phillies. They're not going to pay Halladay and Lee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 11:51 PM) They're not going to pay Halladay and Lee. Exactly, the Phils couldn't afford both pitchers, or they'd keep Lee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 The only thing that makes sense is if the Phils lock up Halladay and Lee only wants to test the market. The Phils should not have to give up too much here to think that they are giving up a big time prospect is insane. Halladay is more of an injury risk, not a large one but a risk none the less, but he is a horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4742072 Looks almost official. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 07:44 PM) Phillippe Aumont.. a Canadian... hometown guy.. Toronto loves him.. makes sense. I can't believe the Phils got to hold onto Drebak (their top pitching prospect) in all of this. Man Seattle got way more dangerous and it makes sense for the Phillies as Lee was going to test the market and already rejected an extension from them. I know Aumont really well. He's got a lot of upside as he started playing baseball at 14. Plus arm but he's got location issues. He can throw some heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Toronto is going to turn around and trade Michael Taylor to Oakland for Brett Wallace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 09:26 AM) Toronto is going to turn around and trade Michael Taylor to Oakland for Brett Wallace. Is that rumored or speculation by you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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