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Government Shutdown on the clock thread

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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 09:06 AM)
Holy s*** this is fantastic. :lolhitting

 

 

:lolhitting :headbang

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QUOTE (Tex @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 09:18 AM)
So the state economy depends on the port, yet all those private businesses can't cough up $50,000? Which btw is the amount per person of our national debt.

 

The Free Market has deemed this port expansion as unnecessary, it his His Will and His Plan. Perhaps if we were to offer up more sacrifices to The Free Market in the form of welfare cuts, He would be so kind as to grace us with a deeper port.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 09:21 AM)
The Free Market has deemed this port expansion as unnecessary, it his His Will and His Plan. Perhaps if we were to offer up more sacrifices to The Free Market in the form of welfare cuts, He would be so kind as to grace us with a deeper port.

:lolhitting

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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 09:21 AM)
The Free Market has deemed this port expansion as unnecessary, it his His Will and His Plan. Perhaps if we were to offer up more sacrifices to The Free Market in the form of welfare cuts, He would be so kind as to grace us with a deeper port.

 

I LOL'd.

 

Tea Party Patriots co-founder Mark Meckler is not happy with Graham's sudden burst of pro-spending zeal, telling TPM that the senator "sounds like a petulant child."

 

"If it's that important to his state, perhaps Senator Graham ought to pay the $50K out of his own pocket," he wrote in an e-mail to TPM. "Or perhaps the citizens of his own state would like to volunteer to fund it. Or perhaps the companies who would benefit from the deepening of the port might want to fund it."

 

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Can't fault Meckler for making this statements, he's sticking with his economic philosophy there. And there's something that he's hit on there, about private companies benefiting from deepening the port but the cost being spread across the entire country. For as much as I've been over-the-top mocking laissez faire lately, you do need to examine public works projects to see if its simply corporatism or crony capitalism taking advantage of taxpayer dollars to enrich themselves vs. something that is actually largely beneficial to the population at large. Think of cities using eminent domain to seize property and sell it to private condo developers versus necessary infrastructure improvement that, yeah, will certainly benefit some private companies/individuals disproportionately but will help the overall economic growth and opportunities for everyone.

We have spent money on these worthwhile programs to the tune of $50,000 for every person in America. What do countries do that can't afford them? If the goal is to reduce taxes and allow private citizens to decide to support programs like Planned Parenthood and private business to study how to widen a port, than I am really cool with that.

QUOTE (Tex @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 12:41 PM)
We have spent money on these worthwhile programs to the tune of $50,000 for every person in America. What do countries do that can't afford them? If the goal is to reduce taxes and allow private citizens to decide to support programs like Planned Parenthood and private business to study how to widen a port, than I am really cool with that.

 

They have the United States pay for it...

When 1% of the country controls 50% of the wealth, it's hard for the remaining 99%.

BTW after watching way too many news reports on the budget I have come to believe that the Dems have to cut more and the GOP has to tax more. The last agreement took Dems crossing over to pass because of the no votes from the Tea Party. If the Tea Party stays waaaay to the right, and a few wacko Dems stay waaaay to the left, a moderate faction of like minded middle of the roaders may get a lot done.

Overton Window & appeal to moderation in full effect. I'd like to know what wacko Dems are even at the "waaaay to the left" position on economics. Arch Socialist Obama is basically no further left than Eisenhower or, hell, even Nixon.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 15, 2011 -> 02:37 PM)
Overton Window & appeal to moderation in full effect. I'd like to know what wacko Dems are even at the "waaaay to the left" position on economics. Arch Socialist Obama is basically no further left than Eisenhower or, hell, even Nixon.

 

I'm thinking a dozen or so of those that didn't vote for the compromise bill. Nothing specific, just figuring we won't see all the Dems voting with the non TeaGOP (TeaRep?) I like the sound of old TeaRep

The problem is that the compromise bill is center-right at best, just as the tax cuts last year were. Assuming that the compromises Congress comes up with is truly in the middle of the political spectrum isn't a good idea.

The reason the Republicans never compromise on anything, ever, is because the Democrats always do because a) they're scared and b) they don't respect their base at all in most cases, because the base doesn't hold them accountable.

I believe many liberals are independent thinkers and more willing to see the other side. The GOP will call it flip flopping. The Reagan Dems would be a great example.

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Well, I'm glad I spent 13 days in national parks on last years vacation and hit the beach this year. It's 10 am, where is my cocktail?

This is the worst Congress ever.

The thing I am amazed about is how quiet everything has been on the sequester for the last however many months. It has barely been mentioned and the economy hasn't even blinked.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 30, 2013 -> 10:41 AM)
The thing I am amazed about is how quiet everything has been on the sequester for the last however many months. It has barely been mentioned and the economy hasn't even blinked.

 

that would be because no cares anymore. just let it happen and get it over with.

 

time to shut er down!

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Our main office just got the order to start printing furlough letters.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 04:14 PM)
Can't fault Meckler for making this statements, he's sticking with his economic philosophy there. And there's something that he's hit on there, about private companies benefiting from deepening the port but the cost being spread across the entire country. For as much as I've been over-the-top mocking laissez faire lately, you do need to examine public works projects to see if its simply corporatism or crony capitalism taking advantage of taxpayer dollars to enrich themselves vs. something that is actually largely beneficial to the population at large. Think of cities using eminent domain to seize property and sell it to private condo developers versus necessary infrastructure improvement that, yeah, will certainly benefit some private companies/individuals disproportionately but will help the overall economic growth and opportunities for everyone.

 

There have been a lot of studies on why public works cost so much in US vs. comparable projects in Europe.

 

It's kind of insane and near intractible. Kudos to a city that can break that.

 

But yeah, the classic dumb "privatization" maneuver is to lease out a city owned parking lot to a private company to run/get all revenue from. Either utilize it or sell it. You aren't making anything more efficient doing that.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 30, 2013 -> 10:41 AM)
The thing I am amazed about is how quiet everything has been on the sequester for the last however many months. It has barely been mentioned and the economy hasn't even blinked.

Every scientist in the country hates you.

 

The number of scientists trying to find jobs overseas is remarkable.

The economy may not have blinked but it certainly didn't accelerate the way many expected it to prior. But that's ok, 7.8% unemployment is acceptable.

But yeah, the classic dumb "privatization" maneuver is to lease out a city owned parking lot to a private company to run/get all revenue from. Either utilize it or sell it. You aren't making anything more efficient doing that.

 

Depends on the timing. Indiana made a killing on the Toll Road. If they tried to make that deal again now they probably wouldn't get 75% of what they got back then. Huge win for the state.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 30, 2013 -> 12:40 PM)
The economy may not have blinked but it certainly didn't accelerate the way many expected it to prior. But that's ok, 7.8% unemployment is acceptable.

 

Record corporate profits didn't put companies on a hiring spree.

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