Texsox Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 09:06 AM) Holy s*** this is fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 QUOTE (Tex @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 09:18 AM) So the state economy depends on the port, yet all those private businesses can't cough up $50,000? Which btw is the amount per person of our national debt. The Free Market has deemed this port expansion as unnecessary, it his His Will and His Plan. Perhaps if we were to offer up more sacrifices to The Free Market in the form of welfare cuts, He would be so kind as to grace us with a deeper port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 09:21 AM) The Free Market has deemed this port expansion as unnecessary, it his His Will and His Plan. Perhaps if we were to offer up more sacrifices to The Free Market in the form of welfare cuts, He would be so kind as to grace us with a deeper port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 08:51 AM) Seriously? QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 09:21 AM) The Free Market has deemed this port expansion as unnecessary, it his His Will and His Plan. Perhaps if we were to offer up more sacrifices to The Free Market in the form of welfare cuts, He would be so kind as to grace us with a deeper port. I LOL'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Tea Party Patriots co-founder Mark Meckler is not happy with Graham's sudden burst of pro-spending zeal, telling TPM that the senator "sounds like a petulant child." "If it's that important to his state, perhaps Senator Graham ought to pay the $50K out of his own pocket," he wrote in an e-mail to TPM. "Or perhaps the citizens of his own state would like to volunteer to fund it. Or perhaps the companies who would benefit from the deepening of the port might want to fund it." via Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Can't fault Meckler for making this statements, he's sticking with his economic philosophy there. And there's something that he's hit on there, about private companies benefiting from deepening the port but the cost being spread across the entire country. For as much as I've been over-the-top mocking laissez faire lately, you do need to examine public works projects to see if its simply corporatism or crony capitalism taking advantage of taxpayer dollars to enrich themselves vs. something that is actually largely beneficial to the population at large. Think of cities using eminent domain to seize property and sell it to private condo developers versus necessary infrastructure improvement that, yeah, will certainly benefit some private companies/individuals disproportionately but will help the overall economic growth and opportunities for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 We have spent money on these worthwhile programs to the tune of $50,000 for every person in America. What do countries do that can't afford them? If the goal is to reduce taxes and allow private citizens to decide to support programs like Planned Parenthood and private business to study how to widen a port, than I am really cool with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 QUOTE (Tex @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 12:41 PM) We have spent money on these worthwhile programs to the tune of $50,000 for every person in America. What do countries do that can't afford them? If the goal is to reduce taxes and allow private citizens to decide to support programs like Planned Parenthood and private business to study how to widen a port, than I am really cool with that. They have the United States pay for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 When 1% of the country controls 50% of the wealth, it's hard for the remaining 99%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 BTW after watching way too many news reports on the budget I have come to believe that the Dems have to cut more and the GOP has to tax more. The last agreement took Dems crossing over to pass because of the no votes from the Tea Party. If the Tea Party stays waaaay to the right, and a few wacko Dems stay waaaay to the left, a moderate faction of like minded middle of the roaders may get a lot done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Overton Window & appeal to moderation in full effect. I'd like to know what wacko Dems are even at the "waaaay to the left" position on economics. Arch Socialist Obama is basically no further left than Eisenhower or, hell, even Nixon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 15, 2011 -> 02:37 PM) Overton Window & appeal to moderation in full effect. I'd like to know what wacko Dems are even at the "waaaay to the left" position on economics. Arch Socialist Obama is basically no further left than Eisenhower or, hell, even Nixon. I'm thinking a dozen or so of those that didn't vote for the compromise bill. Nothing specific, just figuring we won't see all the Dems voting with the non TeaGOP (TeaRep?) I like the sound of old TeaRep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 The problem is that the compromise bill is center-right at best, just as the tax cuts last year were. Assuming that the compromises Congress comes up with is truly in the middle of the political spectrum isn't a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 The reason the Republicans never compromise on anything, ever, is because the Democrats always do because a) they're scared and b) they don't respect their base at all in most cases, because the base doesn't hold them accountable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 I believe many liberals are independent thinkers and more willing to see the other side. The GOP will call it flip flopping. The Reagan Dems would be a great example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 30, 2013 Author Share Posted September 30, 2013 Well, I'm glad I spent 13 days in national parks on last years vacation and hit the beach this year. It's 10 am, where is my cocktail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 This is the worst Congress ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The thing I am amazed about is how quiet everything has been on the sequester for the last however many months. It has barely been mentioned and the economy hasn't even blinked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 30, 2013 -> 10:41 AM) The thing I am amazed about is how quiet everything has been on the sequester for the last however many months. It has barely been mentioned and the economy hasn't even blinked. that would be because no cares anymore. just let it happen and get it over with. time to shut er down! Edited September 30, 2013 by mr_genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Our main office just got the order to start printing furlough letters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 04:14 PM) Can't fault Meckler for making this statements, he's sticking with his economic philosophy there. And there's something that he's hit on there, about private companies benefiting from deepening the port but the cost being spread across the entire country. For as much as I've been over-the-top mocking laissez faire lately, you do need to examine public works projects to see if its simply corporatism or crony capitalism taking advantage of taxpayer dollars to enrich themselves vs. something that is actually largely beneficial to the population at large. Think of cities using eminent domain to seize property and sell it to private condo developers versus necessary infrastructure improvement that, yeah, will certainly benefit some private companies/individuals disproportionately but will help the overall economic growth and opportunities for everyone. There have been a lot of studies on why public works cost so much in US vs. comparable projects in Europe. It's kind of insane and near intractible. Kudos to a city that can break that. But yeah, the classic dumb "privatization" maneuver is to lease out a city owned parking lot to a private company to run/get all revenue from. Either utilize it or sell it. You aren't making anything more efficient doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 30, 2013 Author Share Posted September 30, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 30, 2013 -> 10:41 AM) The thing I am amazed about is how quiet everything has been on the sequester for the last however many months. It has barely been mentioned and the economy hasn't even blinked. Every scientist in the country hates you. The number of scientists trying to find jobs overseas is remarkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The economy may not have blinked but it certainly didn't accelerate the way many expected it to prior. But that's ok, 7.8% unemployment is acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 But yeah, the classic dumb "privatization" maneuver is to lease out a city owned parking lot to a private company to run/get all revenue from. Either utilize it or sell it. You aren't making anything more efficient doing that. Depends on the timing. Indiana made a killing on the Toll Road. If they tried to make that deal again now they probably wouldn't get 75% of what they got back then. Huge win for the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 30, 2013 -> 12:40 PM) The economy may not have blinked but it certainly didn't accelerate the way many expected it to prior. But that's ok, 7.8% unemployment is acceptable. Record corporate profits didn't put companies on a hiring spree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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