June 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (MAX @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 12:44 PM) If konerko hits 50 this year, more talks of this will come. Trying to delete topics about it won't help that. As southsider2k5 said, the blame lies on baseball's poor management of the issue. No s***, but not assisting in it is good enough for me.
June 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 12:47 PM) No s***, but not assisting in it is good enough for me. You mean the board not assisting in it?
June 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (MAX @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 12:49 PM) You mean the board not assisting in it? Yes. I got angry and got my way. Now it's time to eat lunch with a smug look of satisfaction on my face.
June 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 12:45 PM) If Konerko is gonna take a PED, he should be taking one that makes him faster. I'll take whatever is making him a triple crown candidate instead, thank you.
June 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 01:50 PM) Yes. I got angry and got my way. Now it's time to eat lunch with a smug look of satisfaction on my face. I hope it's peanut butter. Peanut Butter and Smug go together like...
June 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 12:51 PM) I hope it's peanut butter. Peanut Butter and Smug go together like... rainbows and bigsqwert
June 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 12:37 PM) Next we'll be hearing that 4K of the 16K square feet of his home is a PED laboratory. GMAFB with these baseless rumors. Next thing you know, Hawk will be telling you Paulie's house in AZ is 12K sq. ft. Not 16k.
June 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 12:50 PM) I'll take whatever is making him a triple crown candidate instead, thank you. Yeah, but add like 30 stolen bases to that. You got yourself Paul "José Canseco" Konerko
June 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 12:52 PM) Next thing you know, Hawk will be telling you Paulie's house in AZ is 12K sq. ft. Not 16k. Nah, this is Hawk. It will be 20,000 sq ft by next opening day.
June 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 12:54 PM) Nah, this is Hawk. It will be 20,000 sq ft by next opening day. So he will add another 4k sq. ft PED lab to the west wing of his mansion?
June 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 12:50 PM) I'll take whatever is making him a triple crown candidate instead, thank you. Easily misunderstood posts like this give weight to steve's argument. Edited June 24, 201114 yr by MAX
June 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (MAX @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 01:44 PM) If konerko hits 50 this year, more talks of this will come. Trying to delete topics about it won't help that. As southsider2k5 said, the blame lies on baseball's poor management of the issue. If PK14 suddenly hit 50 this year...yeah, I'd start doubting him too, no matter what else the logic is. He's a 35-40 HR hitter at best and we all know that.
June 24, 201114 yr Author Updated original post Sorry if people thought I jumped the gun early on this, it wasn't my intention at all. When I tuned in, Spiegal mention paper and Paulie PEDs, sounded like they were talking about an article
June 24, 201114 yr Probably one of the worst players to accuse of PED's. Konerko has shown he had a good year after signing a contract extension, and has really improved his swing and stance in alot of areas over the last few years. He'll have a down year in the next year or two and the talk will go back to him being out of shape and over the hill. It looks like the opinion on him only swings to the two extremes.
June 24, 201114 yr As people have said repeatedly, nobody is above suspicion. QUOTE (Real @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 12:27 PM) its pretty obvious Pena was juicing in texas, that organization seems to be a safe haven for drug use, and not just PEDs... Peña began juicing in Boston, which is also a haven for drug use. It's turned at least one guy's career around... Edited June 24, 201114 yr by Milkman delivers
June 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 03:08 PM) Peña began juicing in Boston, which is also a haven for drug use. It's turned at least one guy's career around... Has that ever been proven?
June 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 03:14 PM) Has that ever been proven? How do you define "Proven" in this case? positive tests? Personal admissions? Saw them inject the needles yourseft?
June 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 03:16 PM) How do you define "Proven" in this case? positive tests? Personal admissions? Saw them inject the needles yourseft? I'm assuming he's referencing Ortiz, and to my knowledge there's been nothing but rumor associated with him.
June 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 02:17 PM) I'm assuming he's referencing Ortiz, and to my knowledge there's been nothing but rumor associated with him. Yes, Ortiz. Apparently he failed a drug test back in 2003, according to Google. Other than that, I guess it's just all rumors, but I think it's fairly obvious.
June 24, 201114 yr This thread is just another reason why blood testing/storage needs to be a significant part of the next CBA, and the owners need to stick to their guns on this. It's a farce that MLB would have us believe that the game has been completely cleaned up by the current testing procedures/penalties. Probable reality, however, is that 90% of fans believe this hooey, or don't care, and it's only the hard-core junkies like ourselves that give a damn.... ....until the world discovers that a lot of folks are cheating again with stuff that doesn't show up in urine. HGH is only one of many substances available that fit this bill, and the science of cheating will likely always be a step ahead of the testing. Which is why the storage of the blood is such a vital aspect of any program. There will be a palpable fear on the part of the cheater that they will be exposed eventually, and made a pariah, even if they're getting away with it today. I've made my own speculations, but won't start a thread over it.
June 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 02:25 PM) This thread is just another reason why blood testing/storage needs to be a significant part of the next CBA, and the owners need to stick to their guns on this. It's a farce that MLB would have us believe that the game has been completely cleaned up by the current testing procedures/penalties. Probable reality, however, is that 90% of fans believe this hooey, or don't care, and it's only the hard-core junkies like ourselves that give a damn.... ....until the world discovers that a lot of folks are cheating again with stuff that doesn't show up in urine. HGH is only one of many substances available that fit this bill, and the science of cheating will likely always be a step ahead of the testing. Which is why the storage of the blood is such a vital aspect of any program. There will be a palpable fear on the part of the cheater that they will be exposed eventually, and made a pariah, even if they're getting away with it today. I've made my own speculations, but won't start a thread over it. I hate your sig because it makes me pine for a location that offers such greatness.
June 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 02:17 PM) I'm assuming he's referencing Ortiz, and to my knowledge there's been nothing but rumor associated with him. I was thinking Ortiz was in the Mitchell Report, but didn't see him listed. I know there was something he was mentioned in a few years back that really got him fired up for the Boston media.
June 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 02:29 PM) I was thinking Ortiz was in the Mitchell Report, but didn't see him listed. I know there was something he was mentioned in a few years back that really got him fired up for the Boston media. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4366335
June 24, 201114 yr haha, just take a look at Konerko.. some people should really learn about steroids before making accusations about people
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