If that's the case, then he's not going to command upwards of $20 million/year. Teams like Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, the Sox, etc. can't and/or won't pay that much. If he couldn't handle New York, Boston, or LA, he's going to be underpaid.

 

Before they trade him, the Brewers will offer him a 5 year, $100 million extension.

Let me know when the White Sox develop an impact bat, let alone have one in their system.

 

Viciedo is a developed impact bat - it's his rookie season.

 

Weak answer.

Weak answer.

'twas only part of such answer... Sir.

I heard from an inside source that the Sox are looking to bring back JJ Putz

 

THat would would be a GREAT fit for a pen. I wonder what he would cost.

Mark Gonzales ‏@MDGonzales

John Danks playing catch at a distance of 90 feet with Juan Nieves

 

 

I hope Danks can come back soon

 

That would be the equal of a big deadline deal all by itself.

Steve Stone was on mully and Hanley this morning, said we are not looking at greinke, he's a small market pitcher

 

So if you speak Kenny Williams, we are all in on Zack.

Mitchell and Castro aren't there now. Talent-wise or potential, maybe.

 

If Mitchell was consistent and actually was around .300 still instead of slumping into the .240's, sure. (KWJR and Saladino are now hitting higher.) He just hasn't been consistent, which is probably the biggest criticism you can make of Dayan's 2012 season.

 

If we're going by potential, then Hawkins, Barnum and Beck would be there. Maybe even Trayce Thompson. And Hawkins definitely will be on the Top 100 list coming into 2013. It's almost automatic for a pick in the first half of the first round to be included.

 

That said, some people are being insanely unrealistic. They want Viciedo to be Harper or Trout, or Miguel Cabrera. Those players are once a decade type talents that don't come around very frequently. Every team except the Yankees and Angels missed on Trout, it's not just the White Sox.

I wonder if there's another team in baseball in either first place or right in the middle of the wild card hunt whose fans are more concerned with the lack of minor league depth than where their favorite major league team is in the standings currently?

 

Seems some people are losing their perspective here.

 

Maybe we should go back to the time of the Cabrera for Maybin/Miller deal and rue that we didn't have the pieces to acquire Miguel then. What good will it do?

 

 

 

 

James Shields isn’t the only member of the Tampa Bay pitching staff who could be traded this summer. The Rays are open to moving any of their right-handed starters, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports. Right-handers Jeremy Hellickson, Wade Davis, Alex Cobb and Chris Archer would all appeal to teams in need of pitching. Here are more of Rosenthal’s notes from around MLB...

 

•The Rays probably won’t sell if it appears Evan Longoria will be able to return before long, but the third baseman’s timeline remains unclear.

•It’s highly unlikely that the Athletics will trade Bartolo Colon, Rosenthal reports. The A’s value Colon more than the mid-level prospects they’d be able to acquire for him in a trade.

•Executives say the Angels have enough young talent to trade for a pitcher of Zack Greinke’s caliber. Though GM Jerry Dipoto is reluctant to trade Peter Bourjos and Garrett Richards, both would appeal to other teams. One executive noted that prospects Jean Segura and Kaleb Cowart are also appealing trade chips.

•The Angels are looking for a left-handed reliever, Rosenthal reports. (Let's trade them Santiago since we didn't have a clue how to use him).

•The Cubs are exchanging names with teams interested in Ryan Dempster. The Dodgers, Tigers, Braves and Red Sox are in the mix. A friend of Dempster’s said the right-hander would probably approve a trade to Boston but considers the Dodgers a better fit. The Dodgers have enough prospects to build a package for Dempster, rival executives tell Rosenthal.

•The Red Sox are still interested in Matt Garza, another potential trade chip.

•The prospect-rich Blue Jays are interested in Justin Upton. GM Alex Anthopoulos is pursuing numerous players and willing to listen on all of his own players, Rosenthal writes. The Pirates have shown considerable interest in Upton, but the Diamondbacks don’t view Pittsburgh as a fit.

•The Rangers are almost certain to bolster their bench. One option: upgrade over catcher Yorvit Torrealba.

•It’s not surprising to see the Giants pursuing relief help, Rosenthal writes.

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I think they should consider bringing Pierre back. His .385 OBP v. righties would provide nice insurance for Viciedo and he'd come cheap.

 

Deaza

Pierre

Youk

Dunn

Konerko

Rios

AJ

Ramirez

Beckham

 

This is suppose to be a joke right?

 

Or our starting 2B, SS, LF, and Closer, or Hudson, Richard, Santos, and Gonzalez.

 

Unless you mean past two years only, in which case PLEASE find me a team that has produced an ace, closer, and more in the past two years.

 

 

The Braves have that (or had that) with Beachy, Kimbrel, Freeman, Simmons, etc. But the Braves are also freaks at producing their own awesome talent.

 

So to have something in common with them is pretty awesome.

This is suppose to be a joke right?

 

Why would that be a joke? Pierre hits right-handers better than Viciedo.

Why would that be a joke? Pierre hits right-handers better than Viciedo.

 

 

So do Robin Ventura and Frank Thomas.

 

Maybe we should bring them out of retirement?

 

Because Pierre's basically at that point.

 

 

 

Better yet, I bet Andruw Jones is hitting better against LHP, and Eric Chavez against RHP.

 

Maybe we should just give the Yankees Dunn and take back Andruw and Chavez.

 

That's the Marty34 plan.

 

 

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So do Robin Ventura and Frank Thomas.

 

Maybe we should bring them out of retirement?

 

Because Pierre's basically at that point.

 

Pierre played last night. He is not retired. How long will it be before Viciedo has an .814 OPS v. right-handers?

Why would that be a joke? Pierre hits right-handers better than Viciedo.

 

For his career, Pierre has a .712 OPS against RHP, .654 over the last three years.

Shouldn't we be benching Adam Dunn for Andruw Jones (or let's just trade him for Chavez and Andruw)...then, we can give them DeAza for Jayson Nix and some random bench player, because their splits are probably better than DeAza's against LHP.

 

Then we should trade AJ because he also doesn't hit LHP very well.

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Pierre played last night. He is not retired. How long will it be before Viciedo has an .814 OPS v. right-handers?

 

Wrong question. The better question is, how long will Pierre's numbers hold up at his age and based on his career?

 

For his career, Pierre has a .712 OPS against RHP, .654 over the last three years.

 

For his career, Pierre has a .712 OPS against RHP, .654 over the last three years.

 

 

No, no, no.

 

Just cherry pick the statistics from this year and completely ignore a full body of evidence just to be a contrarian.

 

If that doesn't convince (which it won't), complain about Molina and Morel.

 

Ooops, can't really go there because then you'd have to admit it would be better to take back $7.25 million in guaranteed salary for a guy with a bad wing who relies almost completely on a power arsenal.

 

 

GEE, WHY DIDN'T WE GET THE !996 ANDRUW JONES??? STUPID KW. WHAT AN IDIOT.

Edited July 17, 201213 yr by caulfield12

Daryl Van Schouwen ‏@CST_soxvan

@Ken_Rosenthal reports Cubs exchanging names with Dodgers, Braves, Tigers and Red Sox for Ryan Dempster.

 

 

GEE, WHY DIDN'T WE GET THE !996 ANDRUW JONES??? STUPID KW. WHAT AN IDIOT.

 

Because 1996 was 3 years ago. Dumbass.

This is suppose to be a joke right?

No, no, don't start this again!

 

Why would that be a joke? Pierre hits right-handers better than Viciedo.

Too late.

Wrong question. The better question is, how long will Pierre's numbers hold up at his age and based on his career?

 

For 2 months, I'd take that chance. People were complaining nobody's getting on for Youkilis in the gamethread last night. Well those nobodies are Viciedo, Ramirez, Beckham, and De Aza. What's wrong with trying to solve that?

For 2 months, I'd take that chance. People were complaining nobody's getting on for Youkilis in the gamethread last night. Well those nobodies are Viciedo, Ramirez, Beckham, and De Aza. What's wrong with trying to solve that?

 

 

Yeah, because Ramirez hitting .400 over the last how many games and driving in more runs than an All-Star 1B at the SS position...

 

Clearly, a nobody.

 

 

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/pos.../OPS/order/true

Gordon Beckham is 17th out of 21 qualifying 2B in the majors.

 

Shouldn't you be advocating a trade of him, when he's clearly BELOW AVERAGE offensively? Whereas VICIEDO is ABOVE AVERAGE AT HIS POSITION AT AGE 23.

How old is Gordon Beckham again?

 

 

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Eric (Chicago)

 

 

Alright Jayson, look into your crystal ball...will Dempster's next start be with the Cubs or with someone else? If someone else, who's leading the pack - Tigers? Dodgers? Someone else?

 

Jayson Stark (12:04 PM)

 

 

I'm going to guess for someone else. I was told by one team that spoke with them that they'd like to move him this week. I'm betting Red Sox or Tigers. But that's just a hunch at this point

 

Yeah, because Ramirez hitting .400 over the last how many games and driving in more runs than an All-Star 1B at the SS position...

 

Clearly, a nobody.

 

 

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/pos.../OPS/order/true

Gordon Beckham is 17th out of 21 qualifying 2B in the majors.

 

Shouldn't you be advocating a trade of him, when he's clearly BELOW AVERAGE offensively? Whereas VICIEDO is ABOVE AVERAGE AT HIS POSITION AT AGE 23.

How old is Gordon Beckham again?

 

You must have very little idea how the trade market works. Normally, you have to give something of value to get something of value in return.

You must have very little idea how the trade market works. Normally, you have to give something of value to get something of value in return.

 

 

Surprise, surprise, Ramirez has MUCH more value than when you wanted to dump him 2 months ago.

 

Back then, you would have been lucky to get someone just to take his contract and give you a B prospect.