Dick Allen Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 01:51 PM) I don't care if it's his first year or fifth year. I also could not care less about his development the rest of this year. A 100+ difference in obp that could be had cheaply is an upgrade worth considering. So you're willing to give up the production and the arm in LF for a best one more time on base per 10 ABs? Your ideas are Pierre and Zambrano and you have a problem with KW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 01:51 PM) I don't care if it's his first year or fifth year. I also could not care less about his development the rest of this year. A 100+ difference in obp that could be had cheaply is an upgrade worth considering. Not in this case, especially when you consider the "upgrade" is Juan Pierre. And you should be concerned about development. It's not just about this year. You have to consider 2013 and beyond. Viciedo is going to be a big part of that. I don't see that allowing Viciedo to play is making the Sox worse. I could see, however, that Pierre roaming left field could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 01:55 PM) So you're willing to give up the production and the arm in LF for a best one more time on base per 10 ABs? Your ideas are Pierre and Zambrano and you have a problem with KW? we're tring to win the division, not give it to the tigers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 01:55 PM) So you're willing to give up the production and the arm in LF for a best one more time on base per 10 ABs? Your ideas are Pierre and Zambrano and you have a problem with KW? I understand if it's difficult for you to comprehend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 01:51 PM) I don't care if it's his first year or fifth year. I also could not care less about his development the rest of this year. A 100+ difference in obp that could be had cheaply is an upgrade worth considering. I respectfully disagree. I would much rather have a MUCH younger Viciedo who is developing into a solid power hitter and run producer over Pierre who is much older and is a shell of what he used to be. Viciedo provides this team with extra power. Pierre would provide this team with basehits and a bit of speed- and since we already have that in De Aza, its not necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I doubt any team will give the Cubs better than Axelrod-Mitchell-Fireballer or Axelrod-Hernandez-Fireballer. And if they do, they are overpaying, so they can have him. That's all I'm saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 01:59 PM) Not in this case, especially when you consider the "upgrade" is Juan Pierre. And you should be concerned about development. It's not just about this year. You have to consider 2013 and beyond. Viciedo is going to be a big part of that. I don't see that allowing Viciedo to play is making the Sox worse. I could see, however, that Pierre roaming left field could. You have a problem with a .385 obp replacing a .278 obp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 01:59 PM) I respectfully disagree. I would much rather have a MUCH younger Viciedo who is developing into a solid power hitter and run producer over Pierre who is much older and is a shell of what he used to be. Viciedo provides this team with extra power. Pierre would provide this team with basehits and a bit of speed- and since we already have that in De Aza, its not necessary. It's a game of outs, and Viciedo makes too many of them against RH'ers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 02:02 PM) You have a problem with a .385 obp replacing a .278 obp? When the guy with the .385 OBP also has a 50 point lower OPS and makes a ton of useless outs on the bases? Yes I do. That's not even to mention that Viciedo is a developing player, with Pierre is a fading player. Or the fact that Viciedo is already a better LF than Pierre is. Or the fact that Viciedo is FREE because the team already has him. Or the fact that Viciedo's potential is so much higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Marty, are you also known as NCORGBL? I'm starting to wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted July 16, 2012 Author Share Posted July 16, 2012 http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heym...r-greinke-derby The surprising White Sox now have Zack Greinke on their radar, scoures said. The first-place White Sox have established themselves as the favorite in the A.L. Central to the surprise of many, and they are said to be hoping to make another second big splash on the trade market. Their trade for third baseman kevin Youkilis has been a major hit. The Braves, Angels, Rangers, Orioles and other also are expected to be in the Greinke derby. Gavin Floyd's start was push back due to an elbow issue, and John Danks has had injury concerns this year as well. So the White Sox clearly want another starter. The White Sox also would like to add a veteran reliever. Greinke's scheduled start Wednesday was pushed back, but sources familiar with the situation say he isn't hurt. Brewers GM Doug Melvin told Foxsports.com they just want to "recharge his batteries.'' The Brewers have some hope to stay in the race, but sources suggest their chances to re-sign Greinke are very slim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted July 16, 2012 Author Share Posted July 16, 2012 I heard from an inside source that the Sox are looking to bring back JJ Putz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 01:06 PM) It's a game of outs, and Viciedo makes too many of them against RH'ers. Yep, and this is his third year anyway, he's not a rookie anymore. I mean, if you don't have the start of a Trout or Harper, you can't compete in this game. Those guys are typical, right? Wow. Let's please get the thread back on topic, and Marty, please start a Viciedo Sucks thread so we can avoid your unique blend of fantasy and impatience, if we choose. Edited July 16, 2012 by Stan Bahnsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 02:13 PM) I heard from an inside source that the Sox are looking to bring back JJ Putz Like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 02:13 PM) I heard from an inside source that the Sox are looking to bring back JJ Putz This is an obvious move on their part and a welcomed one at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 02:06 PM) When the guy with the .385 OBP also has a 50 point lower OPS and makes a ton of useless outs on the bases? Yes I do. That's not even to mention that Viciedo is a developing player, with Pierre is a fading player. Or the fact that Viciedo is already a better LF than Pierre is. Or the fact that Viciedo is FREE because the team already has him. Or the fact that Viciedo's potential is so much higher. 2012: Viciedo's OPS v. RH .689 Pierre's OPS v RH .814 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted July 16, 2012 Author Share Posted July 16, 2012 This is an obvious move on their part and a welcomed one at that. Putz would be a very nice addition to the Sox. Thornton might just have his best friend back on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 01:15 PM) 2012: Viciedo's OPS v. RH .689 Pierre's OPS v RH .814 Why don't we just wait until the offseason and sign Josh Hamilton and Greinke? Pick up Youk's option, ba da bing, we're ready to roll for 2013. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted July 16, 2012 Author Share Posted July 16, 2012 Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick A scout told me to watch #whitesox at deadline because Kenny Williams has "no fear.'' He also has MLB's 30th ranked farm system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 02:21 PM) Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick A scout told me to watch #whitesox at deadline because Kenny Williams has "no fear.'' He also has MLB's 30th ranked farm system. And also just set a record for contributing rookies on a big league ballclub. Keep ranking our farm system morons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted July 16, 2012 Author Share Posted July 16, 2012 Mark Gonzales @MDGonzales John Danks playing catch at a distance of 90 feet with Juan Nieves I hope Danks can come back soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 02:21 PM) And also just set a record for contributing rookies on a big league ballclub. Keep ranking our farm system morons. I am really starting to think farm systems are predicated on one or two players and are a good amount of PR by teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 i like the idea of getting putz back. leave reed as the closer but if he needs a day off or struggles, putz can fill in. what would it take to get him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 01:26 PM) I am really starting to think farm systems are predicated on one or two players and are a good amount of PR by teams. I don't think there's any doubt about this. Overrated prospects mean better return in trades, so why not do it? Putz would be terrific. Edited July 16, 2012 by Stan Bahnsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 02:29 PM) I don't think there's any doubt about this. Overrated prospects mean better return in trades, so why not do it? Putz would be terrific. The rate them by perspective "star" players. However we've apparently found value in contributing depth players with possibly some stars coming in a few years. Not the 30th ranked system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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