southsider2k5 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Aug 23, 2012 -> 08:56 PM) You ever heard of that Nolan Ryan guy? Ryan retired about 20 years ago. That wouldn't be in most of Soxtalk's "lifetime". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 23, 2012 -> 09:35 PM) Ryan retired about 20 years ago. That wouldn't be in most of Soxtalk's "lifetime". I was just pointing out a guy who was able to reach back and throw harder as the game went on, which isn't all that rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 09:27 AM) I was just pointing out a guy who was able to reach back and throw harder as the game went on, which isn't all that rare. If you had to go back 20 years to find one, I would argue that makes it pretty rare. The only other guy I can think of from now is CC Sabathia. Who else is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 09:39 AM) If you had to go back 20 years to find one, I would argue that makes it pretty rare. The only other guy I can think of from now is CC Sabathia. Who else is there? Roger Clemens, Curt Schilling, John Smoltz, Randy Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 10:00 AM) Roger Clemens, Curt Schilling, John Smoltz, Randy Johnson All four are retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 10:02 AM) All four are retired. So what? That wasn't part of the criteria. Look at me. I'm watching those goalposts move. They started at Caufields lifetime, went to to the last 20 years and, now, active pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 10:06 AM) So what? That wasn't part of the criteria. Look at me. I'm watching those goalposts move. They started at Caufields lifetime, went to to the last 20 years and, now, active pitchers. Even so, you got six out of the last 20 years. That is 6 out of thousands. I'd still call that rare, sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 23, 2012 -> 09:34 PM) Yeah, there's that. Although, to be fair, he never gets thought of as a "winning pitcher." When you think of all the arms in history you'd want for the 7th game of the World Series, would you even put him into your Top 10 possibilities? He wasn't. He was a guy who had great stuff but was far too inconsistent. He was great one start and awful the next. He could throw a no-hitter one game then walk 9 the next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 10:13 AM) Even so, you got six out of the last 20 years. That is 6 out of thousands. I'd still call that rare, sport. Those guys were just the top tier, plenty of guys improved later they went just weren't all that great like verlander or the previously mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 11:20 AM) He wasn't. He was a guy who had great stuff but was far too inconsistent. He was great one start and awful the next. He could throw a no-hitter one game then walk 9 the next. He got a lot more consistent as he got older. His walk totals really dropped as he aged, which is when the wins started coming. His walk rates fell by about half during his career, and his K rates stayed pretty similar. I wouldn't have wanted the 1970's Ryan starting for me in the World Series game 7, but the 80's version should could have. He also played on some pretty bad teams along the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 11:27 AM) He got a lot more consistent as he got older. His walk totals really dropped as he aged, which is when the wins started coming. His walk rates fell by about half during his career, and his K rates stayed pretty similar. I wouldn't have wanted the 1970's Ryan starting for me in the World Series game 7, but the 80's version should could have. He also played on some pretty bad teams along the way. True, he did become a better pitcher after 10 years in the league but for his career his average season was a 14-12 record and he was really never even considered for a Cy Young. As stated, he really wasn't a winning pitcher. Great and dominating stuff but not necessarily a pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 King Felix with another outstanding start last night. The man is absolutely locked in right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 28, 2012 -> 08:59 AM) King Felix with another outstanding start last night. The man is absolutely locked in right now. That was his 3rd 1-0 complete game victory this month. David Price go knocked around by the Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 24, 2012 -> 11:45 AM) True, he did become a better pitcher after 10 years in the league but for his career his average season was a 14-12 record and he was really never even considered for a Cy Young. As stated, he really wasn't a winning pitcher. Great and dominating stuff but not necessarily a pitcher. His career is just a great example of why W/L record should not be that important of a stat for a pitcher. Take his 1987 season, he went 8-16 with 2.76 ERA. That's not exactly his fault, he just played on a lot of really bad teams. Had he played for the Yankees in the late '70s or the A's in the late '80s who knows how many more wins he would have and I guarantee you at least a couple Cy Youngs. He has the lowest hits/9 innings of any pitcher in the history of the game. Bottom line is, I'll put a guy with 7 no hitters, 12 one hitters and 18 two hitters on the mound any day of the week against any team. Edited August 28, 2012 by lasttriptotulsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 2 quality starts and two wins this week, one against Verlander, would go a long way to his chances. No pressure or anything, but tonight is the biggest start of his career, and Sunday will be even bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Can we close this thread yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 22, 2012 -> 11:27 PM) ......and here come the awful starts.....have we not learned from our mistakes here people? ......geee......what did I say? You people are killing us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 28, 2012 -> 06:48 PM) ......geee......what did I say? You people are killing us. You people!? What do you mean "You people!?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Price, Sale, & Verlander all got rocked in the past 26 houts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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