You ever heard of that Nolan Ryan guy?

 

Ryan retired about 20 years ago. That wouldn't be in most of Soxtalk's "lifetime".

Ryan retired about 20 years ago. That wouldn't be in most of Soxtalk's "lifetime".

I was just pointing out a guy who was able to reach back and throw harder as the game went on, which isn't all that rare.

I was just pointing out a guy who was able to reach back and throw harder as the game went on, which isn't all that rare.

 

If you had to go back 20 years to find one, I would argue that makes it pretty rare. The only other guy I can think of from now is CC Sabathia. Who else is there?

If you had to go back 20 years to find one, I would argue that makes it pretty rare. The only other guy I can think of from now is CC Sabathia. Who else is there?

Roger Clemens, Curt Schilling, John Smoltz, Randy Johnson

Roger Clemens, Curt Schilling, John Smoltz, Randy Johnson

 

All four are retired.

All four are retired.

So what? That wasn't part of the criteria. Look at me. I'm watching those goalposts move. They started at Caufields lifetime, went to to the last 20 years and, now, active pitchers.

So what? That wasn't part of the criteria. Look at me. I'm watching those goalposts move. They started at Caufields lifetime, went to to the last 20 years and, now, active pitchers.

 

Even so, you got six out of the last 20 years. That is 6 out of thousands. I'd still call that rare, sport.

Yeah, there's that.

 

Although, to be fair, he never gets thought of as a "winning pitcher."

 

When you think of all the arms in history you'd want for the 7th game of the World Series, would you even put him into your Top 10 possibilities?

He wasn't. He was a guy who had great stuff but was far too inconsistent. He was great one start and awful the next. He could throw a no-hitter one game then walk 9 the next.

Even so, you got six out of the last 20 years. That is 6 out of thousands. I'd still call that rare, sport.

 

Those guys were just the top tier, plenty of guys improved later they went just weren't all that great like verlander or the previously mentioned.

 

 

He wasn't. He was a guy who had great stuff but was far too inconsistent. He was great one start and awful the next. He could throw a no-hitter one game then walk 9 the next.

 

He got a lot more consistent as he got older. His walk totals really dropped as he aged, which is when the wins started coming. His walk rates fell by about half during his career, and his K rates stayed pretty similar. I wouldn't have wanted the 1970's Ryan starting for me in the World Series game 7, but the 80's version should could have.

 

He also played on some pretty bad teams along the way.

He got a lot more consistent as he got older. His walk totals really dropped as he aged, which is when the wins started coming. His walk rates fell by about half during his career, and his K rates stayed pretty similar. I wouldn't have wanted the 1970's Ryan starting for me in the World Series game 7, but the 80's version should could have.

 

He also played on some pretty bad teams along the way.

True, he did become a better pitcher after 10 years in the league but for his career his average season was a 14-12 record and he was really never even considered for a Cy Young. As stated, he really wasn't a winning pitcher. Great and dominating stuff but not necessarily a pitcher.

King Felix with another outstanding start last night. The man is absolutely locked in right now.

King Felix with another outstanding start last night. The man is absolutely locked in right now.

 

That was his 3rd 1-0 complete game victory this month.

 

David Price go knocked around by the Rangers.

True, he did become a better pitcher after 10 years in the league but for his career his average season was a 14-12 record and he was really never even considered for a Cy Young. As stated, he really wasn't a winning pitcher. Great and dominating stuff but not necessarily a pitcher.

 

His career is just a great example of why W/L record should not be that important of a stat for a pitcher. Take his 1987 season, he went 8-16 with 2.76 ERA. That's not exactly his fault, he just played on a lot of really bad teams. Had he played for the Yankees in the late '70s or the A's in the late '80s who knows how many more wins he would have and I guarantee you at least a couple Cy Youngs. He has the lowest hits/9 innings of any pitcher in the history of the game. Bottom line is, I'll put a guy with 7 no hitters, 12 one hitters and 18 two hitters on the mound any day of the week against any team.

Edited August 28, 201213 yr by lasttriptotulsa

2 quality starts and two wins this week, one against Verlander, would go a long way to his chances.

 

No pressure or anything, but tonight is the biggest start of his career, and Sunday will be even bigger.

Can we close this thread yet?

......and here come the awful starts.....have we not learned from our mistakes here people?

 

......geee......what did I say? You people are killing us.

......geee......what did I say? You people are killing us.

 

You people!? What do you mean "You people!?"

Price, Sale, & Verlander all got rocked in the past 26 houts.