chw42 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 12:42 PM) He only played 50 games at third base last year? I'm not liking this move. He was pretty good during those 50 games though. All he needs to be is average defensively. If he puts up his career offensive #s, he'll be an average 3B, which is very well worth the $4 million we're paying him. He's not an ideal #2, but he's a much better fit for that spot right now than anyone else we have. I like the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (GoGoSox2k2 @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 12:57 PM) so what was his injury a couple weeks ago? is it anything to worry about? He fell and broke his fibula. It's not a major break he should be ready for ST. It probably priced him down a few million. With the year he had last year and the 3B market the way it is, he could have gotten 3 and $18 million. Edited December 5, 2012 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 @jaysonst Useless Jeff Keppinger info: 3 players have more xbh & BBs than strikeouts since '07: Pujols, Pedroia & Jeff Keppinger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (3E8 @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 12:49 PM) If you use advanced fielding metrics as one should, with as large a sample as possible, Keppinger has negative ratings. Rogers used them incorrectly, picking a small 50-game sample which is unreliable. UZR of 3.9 over 1110 innings at 3B in his career. That's acceptable and almost a full season's worth of sample size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoGoSox2k2 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 01:22 PM) @jaysonst Useless Jeff Keppinger info: 3 players have more xbh & BBs than strikeouts since '07: Pujols, Pedroia & Jeff Keppinger. Useless but encouraging info.. esp for our offense and their K rate compared to walks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (GoGoSox2k2 @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 12:46 PM) i know Bill James' numbers are not the end all be all, however where did the talk come from that Keppinger was a liability on defense? I am not doubting or agreeing just wondering -17.7 career UZR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 (edited) CF De Aza L 3B Keppinger R DH Dunn L 1B Konerko R RF Rios R LF Viciedo R SS Ramirez R C Flowers R 2B Beckham R Meh...but acceptable. Getting A.J. back would be really nice. The bottom of the lineup is far too right handed. Maybe a move down to 5 for Dunn would balance out the lineup more. Edited December 5, 2012 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 My feeling for this is similar to the feeling I had for the Iguchi signing. Nothing special, but it should provide an upgrade or atleast a constant presence at a spot the Sox have struggled at previously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 01:27 PM) -17.7 career UZR Most of that comes from his SS days. He probably doesn't have the range to be a SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 01:22 PM) @jaysonst Useless Jeff Keppinger info: 3 players have more xbh & BBs than strikeouts since '07: Pujols, Pedroia & Jeff Keppinger. Nice offset for Dunn. Adam strikes out enough for 2 or 3 players as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 01:22 PM) He fell and broke his fibula. It's not a major break he should be ready for ST. It probably priced him down a few million. With the year he had last year and the 3B market the way it is, he could have gotten 3 and $18 million. That's a nothing injury as long as the ankle wasn't dislocated, which it wasn't. You really don't even need the fibula. It's often used for bone grafts. There is no worry about this injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 -17.7 career UZR Where does that number come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 02:25 PM) UZR of 3.9 over 1110 innings at 3B in his career. That's acceptable and almost a full season's worth of sample size. You need more than one season for reliability. Combine the career 3B rating with negative ratings at all other infield positions. Same result over at B-R.com with defensive runs saved method. He's below average defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 01:29 PM) Most of that comes from his SS days. He probably doesn't have the range to be a SS. Yes, true. Probably not a 2B either, for those suggesting Beckham may be on the block. I think, as it stands, Keppiner is the every day guy with Morel as a late-inning defensive replacement and occasional starter. If Hannahan gets signed, I'm guessing Morel stays in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 01:31 PM) Where does that number come from? http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...;position=2B/SS http://www.fangraphs.com/library/index.php/defense/uzr/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 You need more than one season for reliability. Combine the career 3B rating with negative ratings at all other infield positions. Same result over at B-R.com with defensive runs saved method. He's below average defensively. I would rely more on one season's worth of numbers at the position he's going to play over career numbers at positions he isn't going to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (3E8 @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 01:31 PM) You need more than one season for reliability. Combine the career 3B rating with negative ratings at all other infield positions. Same result over at B-R.com with defensive runs saved method. He's below average defensively. I get that, but I'm not sure it's fair to say he's a bad defensive 3B just because he's a bad defensive SS and 2B. There's a huge difference in the demands of the positions, specifically range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...;position=2B/SS http://www.fangraphs.com/library/index.php/defense/uzr/ Yeah, I looked at his UZR there and didn't see the number -17.7 anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Chavez signed for one year and $3 million with Arizona. Truthfully, I would rather have that deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 I get that, but I'm not sure it's fair to say he's a bad defensive 3B just because he's a bad defensive SS and 2B. There's a huge difference in the demands of the positions, specifically range. It's fair to do if you're trying very had to trash a Rick Hahn signing and can't find any other reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 01:33 PM) I would rely more on one season's worth of numbers at the position he's going to play over career numbers at positions he isn't going to play. Normally, that makes sense. But UZR is a statistic that really requires a major sample to be reliable as a measure of true talent, and the things it measures (range, arm, etc.) can be a decent proxy for skills that transfer to similar positions. But, your overall point is true -- he'll be a much better 3B than MI, I just don't think the UZR numbers from 50 games at third do much to support that in this case. Here are these links, in case you missed my last post on the previous page: http://www.fangraphs.com/library/index.php/defense/uzr/ http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...;position=2B/SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 01:34 PM) Yeah, I looked at his UZR there and didn't see the number -17.7 anywhere. It's at the very bottom of that first table, in the Career row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 01:34 PM) Chavez signed for one year and $3 million with Arizona. Truthfully, I would rather have that deal. I think we would be right back in this boat we're in now next year if we had done that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 01:34 PM) Chavez signed for one year and $3 million with Arizona. Truthfully, I would rather have that deal. Co-signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 01:40 PM) I think we would be right back in this boat we're in now next year if we had done that. I'm not sure I want Jeff Keppinger to be our starting 3B for more than a year or two... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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