March 11, 201313 yr http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/...t-underrated-ss "This guy is totally under the radar," said a longtime talent evaluator from the National League West. "Every season you hear about (Derek) Jeter or (Alcides) Escobar as the best. For my money Alexei Ramirez is the best all-around in that league." more at link
March 11, 201313 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 01:48 PM) http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/...t-underrated-ss more at link Hooray, we have the tallest midget. Alexei has great defense, but he's on a downward path with the stick.
March 11, 201313 yr QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 02:58 PM) Hooray, we have the tallest midget. Alexei has great defense, but he's on a downward path with the stick. In a system demanding each club have at least one midget, I'll gladly take the tallest one.
March 11, 201313 yr Good to see this positive story about the Sox and Alexei in particular. I always thought he was under rated and could never understand the posters here that criticize the guy. Yes, he didn't really have a year with the bat HE would have liked but he admits it and works hard to improve. Defensively he is one of the best in the league Edited March 11, 201313 yr by elrockinMT
March 11, 201313 yr This makes me want to make an all-sox team of my lifetime. All-time sox lists are fun, but it's annoying putting players you've never watched on there. I'm pretty damn certain Alexei is the best SS of my sox lifetime, which I consider 93 - today. (93 being first conscious year following white sox) Edited March 11, 201313 yr by bmags
March 11, 201313 yr QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 03:28 PM) This makes me want to make an all-sox team of my lifetime. All-time sox lists are fun, but it's annoying putting players you've never watched on there. I'm pretty damn certain Alexei is the best SS of my sox lifetime, which I consider 93 - today. Agreed. He's awfully undervalued. Lets not discuss why though. I kid, I kid.
March 11, 201313 yr QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 04:23 PM) Wait, he isn't? Is this a serious post?
March 11, 201313 yr I just wish he would concentrate more, sometimes Lexi does silly things that costs games
March 11, 201313 yr QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 03:07 PM) In a system demanding each club have at least one midget, I'll gladly take the tallest one. The system does not demand each club have at least one midget at SS - the goods ones are all just in the NL. Also, the White Sox employ the smallest midget at catcher - which will also be an issue. God, this offense is going to suck donkey dick.
March 11, 201313 yr QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 02:56 PM) Is this a serious post? à la Heath Ledger in 2008's The Dark Knight.
March 12, 201313 yr QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 05:04 PM) God, this offense is going to suck donkey dick. You're most definitely entitled to your opinion, but I have faith that the 2013 Sox offense will be at least as good, if not better than 2012 Sox offense. Edited March 12, 201313 yr by balfanman
March 12, 201313 yr QUOTE (balfanman @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 06:57 AM) You're most definitely entitled to your opinion, but I have faith that the 2013 Sox offense will be at least as good, if not better than 2012 Sox offense. So you see Alex Rios playing well again, Tyler Flowers matching AJ's 2012 output, Paul Konerko staying healthy, and Adam Dunn hitting 40 jacks? This offense is going to be horrific. Pretty much everything went right last year and they were still painful.
March 12, 201313 yr QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 09:15 AM) So you see Alex Rios playing well again, Tyler Flowers matching AJ's 2012 output, Paul Konerko staying healthy, and Adam Dunn hitting 40 jacks? This offense is going to be horrific. Pretty much everything went right last year and they were still painful. I would say not everything went right last year. I would expect upticks in production from Viciedo, Ramirez, Konerko, and possibly Dunn and Beckham as well. Not counting on anything with Gordon, though. 3B will be far better than last year. Rios had a real nice year, but he really didn't drive in very many runs so it would not shock me if he improves in that regard from the 3 spot.
March 12, 201313 yr QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 08:15 AM) So you see Alex Rios playing well again, Tyler Flowers matching AJ's 2012 output, Paul Konerko staying healthy, and Adam Dunn hitting 40 jacks? This offense is going to be horrific. Pretty much everything went right last year and they were still painful. i remember another horrific offense that did quite well about 8 years ago... god it's been that long.
March 12, 201313 yr QUOTE (Jake @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 09:23 AM) I would say not everything went right last year. I would expect upticks in production from Viciedo, Ramirez, Konerko, and possibly Dunn and Beckham as well. Not counting on anything with Gordon, though. 3B will be far better than last year. Rios had a real nice year, but he really didn't drive in very many runs so it would not shock me if he improves in that regard from the 3 spot. So you expect a player turning 37 (Konerko) to do better than last year? You expect a player who's declined 4 straight seasons to do better (Ramirez)? You expect Adam Dunn to do better than 40 jacks hitting .204? Honestly, I don't expect anything out of the lot.
March 12, 201313 yr QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 09:15 AM) So you see Alex Rios playing well again, Tyler Flowers matching AJ's 2012 output, Paul Konerko staying healthy, and Adam Dunn hitting 40 jacks? This offense is going to be horrific. Pretty much everything went right last year and they were still painful. Everything went right? 3B put up a .600 OPS. Konerko got hurt. Ramirez had his worst offensive season. Beckham hit .230. Viciedo is still learning. Dunn hit .204 and struck out an ungodly amount of times, and they still scored the 4th most runs in the league. Rios and AJP were definitely better than anyone could have expected, and the Sox should expect less from those positions this year, but I think there are places they can improve.
March 12, 201313 yr QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 08:15 AM) So you see Alex Rios playing well again, Tyler Flowers matching AJ's 2012 output, Paul Konerko staying healthy, and Adam Dunn hitting 40 jacks? This offense is going to be horrific. Pretty much everything went right last year and they were still painful. I believe that others have expressed my sentiments quite well on this issue.
March 12, 201313 yr QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 09:53 AM) So you expect a player turning 37 (Konerko) to do better than last year? You expect a player who's declined 4 straight seasons to do better (Ramirez)? You expect Adam Dunn to do better than 40 jacks hitting .204? Honestly, I don't expect anything out of the lot. I've given up on thinking that age matters for PK. I expect him not to be worthless for half the season and spend virtually the whole season approaching at bats like Juan Pierre. What he might lose to age (get slower?), I think he gains with a fancy new wrist. He'll also be seeing more time at DH this year which would help ameliorate some concerns about his age. Dunn may not drop 40 bombs, though he may since that is something he does far more often than not, but I doubt he has such a low BA/OBP again. At worst, I expect a wash and 40/96 out of your 5 hitter ain't so bad. Alexei Ramirez RBI's by season: 77, 68, 70, 70, 73. Until further notice, I say the drop in peripherals last year was a blip on the map -- for whatever reason, his early season slump lasted almost a month longer than normal. I expect a similar or better season because that's what he always does. There are plenty of reasons the team might not do well, offense included and especially, but there are just as many reasons they may do very well. In the end, we produced ENOUGH but not consistently to win last year. Spread out some of that run scoring into the last two weeks of the season and we look at this completely differently. I'll take my chances with this team and if it doesn't work out I see a ton of ways we can keep improving in the next season or two as well.
March 12, 201313 yr QUOTE (Jake @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 09:23 AM) I would say not everything went right last year. I would expect upticks in production from Viciedo, Ramirez, Konerko, and possibly Dunn and Beckham as well. Not counting on anything with Gordon, though. Why do you expect an uptick from Ramirez, but not counting on Beckham when Beckham had the better year last year and is 3-4 years younger than Ramirez?
March 12, 201313 yr QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 09:53 AM) So you expect a player turning 37 (Konerko) to do better than last year? You expect a player who's declined 4 straight seasons to do better (Ramirez)? You expect Adam Dunn to do better than 40 jacks hitting .204? Honestly, I don't expect anything out of the lot. Please explain, using some facts, how Ramirez has declined 4 straight seasons.
March 12, 201313 yr QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 11:57 AM) Please explain, using some facts, how Ramirez has declined 4 straight seasons. By OPS three straight. 2010: 744 2011: 727 2012: 651
March 12, 201313 yr Author QUOTE (Marty34 @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 12:04 PM) By OPS three straight. 2010: 744 2011: 727 2012: 651 That is two straight. His 2009 OPS was .723, which means 2010 was up, not down.
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