Huge arm, huge control issues. Seems like we could use a bullpen flyer though, what with all this Ramon Troncoso garbage I keep reading.

 

Thoughts?

Depends on what his control issues actually are. If it is something mechanical, I am all for it.

We've got the roster spots now. Does Coop post here? Can someone ask him?

We've got the roster spots now. Does Coop post here? Can someone ask him?

 

The big issue is that the Cubs are claiming so many people these days, and I'd be surprised if they don't go after Rodriguez especially after Hoyer talked today about wanting guys who throw hard. If he gets to the Sox, I'd be all for giving Rodriguez a shot.

The big issue is that the Cubs are claiming so many people these days, and I'd be surprised if they don't go after Rodriguez especially after Hoyer talked today about wanting guys who throw hard. If he gets to the Sox, I'd be all for giving Rodriguez a shot.

 

This is true, the Cubs pen is in absolute shambles.

This is true, the Cubs pen is in absolute shambles.

 

Do bad MLB bullpens normally go after other failed MLB relief pitchers?

Oh Henry?

Do bad MLB bullpens normally go after other failed MLB relief pitchers?

 

Yes

It is funny a board who hates Matt Thornton would want this guy. He allows way more runners and runs.

It is funny a board who hates Matt Thornton would want this guy. He allows way more runners and runs.

 

He is a righthander, so it isn't like anyone is clamoring for him to replace Thornton.

 

He is considerably younger and cheaper, and throws very hard. If coop thought he could work with him and get a flaw fixed, I certainly wouldn't mind.

He is a righthander, so it isn't like anyone is clamoring for him to replace Thornton.

 

He is considerably younger and cheaper, and throws very hard. If coop thought he could work with him and get a flaw fixed, I certainly wouldn't mind.

Its more reason not to like him. In a world where everyone is looking for bullpen help, getting DFA,d is pretty telling.

Its more reason not to like him. In a world where everyone is looking for bullpen help, getting DFA,d is pretty telling.

 

Ok DA, as always you are always grumpy. I mean right.

Ok DA, as always you are always grumpy. I mean right.

Its just a double standard. Nate Jones supposedly doesn't belong in the majors. If he were a Brewer and was DFAd, there would be threads wanting to pick him up.

Its just a double standard. Nate Jones supposedly doesn't belong in the majors. If he were a Brewer and was DFAd, there would be threads wanting to pick him up.

 

What double standard? All you do is b**** and moan about what the board wants. You act like there is a poll above this thread with 99 percent of the board voting they want him against your 1 percent. It was just someone saying that a power arm is available.

 

You don't want him. Fine. Point made. Move on.

What double standard? All you do is b**** and moan about what the board wants. You act like there is a poll above this thread with 99 percent of the board voting they want him against your 1 percent. It was just someone saying that a power arm is available.

 

You don't want him. Fine. Point made. Move on.

It's called frustration "Do something even if it is wrong."

What double standard? All you do is b**** and moan about what the board wants. You act like there is a poll above this thread with 99 percent of the board voting they want him against your 1 percent. It was just someone saying that a power arm is available.

 

You don't want him. Fine. Point made. Move on.

It's called frustration "Do something even if it is wrong."

It's called frustration "Do something even if it is wrong."

 

I could care less if he wants or doesn't want HR. it's the complaining about the board, it is unnecessary

I could care less if he wants or doesn't want HR. it's the complaining about the board, it is unnecessary

What has he shown performance wise that is any better than the guys the Sox currently have who all work with Cooper everyday who get beatdown all the time? Iam sticking up for guys like Thornton and Jones. The are just as good or better than Rodriquez. This guy couldn't throw a strike before elbow surgery, and Flowers catching him would make Tyler and the M & Ms guy sick of each others company in a few weeks.

He is a righthander, so it isn't like anyone is clamoring for him to replace Thornton.

 

He is considerably younger and cheaper, and throws very hard. If coop thought he could work with him and get a flaw fixed, I certainly wouldn't mind.

 

Not to mention he wouldn't be replacing Thornton or Jones. He would replace Omogrosso.

There's 5000 examples of waived/released/DFA'ed bullpen arms that have turned up and done well elsewhere.

 

Essentially, Thornton was waived, because he wasn't worth anything to the M's anymore.

 

Jenks, Aardsma, Sergio Santos...heck, look at Neal Cotts this year with the Rangers. Bartolo Colon has been available numerous times to other teams. And, most especially, Jason Grilli. Those are just ex-Sox guys.

 

Now nobody's saying that we should have kept Grilli stowed on our roster from 2004 through 2012 waiting for him to break out in 2013...but making a comparison to Matt Thornton, who is paid like a quasi-closer (same with Crain) is nebulous at best.

 

We need TALENT, pure and simple, wherever it comes from.

What has he shown performance wise that is any better than the guys the Sox currently have who all work with Cooper everyday who get beatdown all the time? Iam sticking up for guys like Thornton and Jones. The are just as good or better than Rodriquez. This guy couldn't throw a strike before elbow surgery, and Flowers catching him would make Tyler and the M & Ms guy sick of each others company in a few weeks.

 

Again, where is anyone in this thread saying "drop Thornton and/or jones and pick this guy up!"?

 

You obviously don't like him because he has control issues. That is fair, I understand that. But you are creating an imaginary argument and defending guys that aren't being attacked

 

It's simple. Thornton is an overpaid asset leaking value over the last 2-3 seasons...especially since the closer's experiment failed and his fastball started losing velocity by 2-3 MPH.

 

I don't even come close to hating him.

 

I don't think Santiago should take his spot, because Santiago is better off as a starter.

 

It's simply that we cannot afford to invest that kind of money in the bullpen until we're ready to make another playoff run...history has shown that bullpens are the easiest areas to fix in the short-term (look at how many rookies we used in 2012, none highly regarded except for Addison Reed).

 

Going back to the example of the Rays organization. They only really made one single mistake in that 2007-2008 time frame, and it was paying Percival $8 million as a free agent to close out games. Eventually, Balfour took his place.

 

And, of course, 2005, when nobody expected MUCH out of Takatsu (one trick pony with the frisbee/gong), Hermanson or Jenks coming into the year.

Over their careers, Rodriquez's WHIP in .068 lower than Omogrosso's. as bad as Omogrosso has been, that is only 3.4 more runners he allows in 50 innings.

Again, where is anyone in this thread saying "drop Thornton and/or jones and pick this guy up!"?

 

You obviously don't like him because he has control issues. That is fair, I understand that. But you are creating an imaginary argument and defending guys that aren't being attacked

Who would you drop? He really is no better than Omogrosso.

Edited June 5, 201312 yr by Dick Allen

Who would you drop? He really is no better than Omogrosso.

 

He is a lot better than Omogrosso. I am not a fan of Omogrosso at all