I am saying that as a fan. It is the only way the Bulls have a legit chance at a title the next 5 years.

 

The Bulls shouldn't not care one iota about what the fans think. It is about what is best for the franchise. Bulls fans will show up no matter what, which allows them to do a proper rebuild.

I would argue he's had 1 major knee surgery. The other surgery is not very major but unfortunately requires a long rehab time. I have zero doubt that Rose will have the same athleticism as before (I had that doubt when he went down 2 years ago), however, the question is whether he will be able to be healthy.

I totally agree with this. He didn't lose any of the athleticism from his ACL tear. And a lot of players have gone through a meniscus tear, and like you said, it seems to be more a lengthy rehab than a major skill killer especially if it wasn't removed. The fact that it wasn't removed from what I read showed it could be repaired which is a good sign. The question is whether or not once he gets healthy, he can stay healthy, how he is mentally with the knees. Those are major questions.

I am saying that as a fan. It is the only way the Bulls have a legit chance at a title the next 5 years. You can draft a couple more Jimmy Butlers, and Mirotic can be a really good player and you can still win 55 games during the regular season, but the hardest thing to acquire is stars, and the Bulls are really in a tougher position than most to do that.

I completely agree with you DA.

The Bulls shouldn't not care one iota about what the fans think. It is about what is best for the franchise. Bulls fans will show up no matter what, which allows them to do a proper rebuild.

I understand that, but realistically if you have a Rose at 75% of what he was, Butler, Mirotic, Noah, that is a team that isn't going to get into the lottery and a team that isn't going to win a championship. The proper rebuild, if you are convinced Rose will not be the player he was is to dump everyone who is good, perhaps Rose himself.

The Bulls shouldn't not care one iota about what the fans think. It is about what is best for the franchise. Bulls fans will show up no matter what, which allows them to do a proper rebuild.

The reality they need to start finding players who will be around Rose next year and in future years and they also need to try and find a 2nd face of the franchise that is young and hope that if Rose isn't the player he once was, but is still an above average player, the two, combined with a strong core, can potentially win a title. What really pisses me off more then anything is this started because of the lockout and the fact that the NBA didn't protect its players by giving them adequate rest (when they should have either limited the # of games played in the strike season by more or extended the playoffs by another couple of weeks.

I understand that, but realistically if you have a Rose at 75% of what he was, Butler, Mirotic, Noah, that is a team that isn't going to get into the lottery and a team that isn't going to win a championship. The proper rebuild, if you are convinced Rose will not be the player he was is to dump everyone who is good, perhaps Rose himself.

 

If I were in charge, I would offer Rose for a top 5 pick in this draft. In a heartbeat.

I would argue he's had 1 major knee surgery. The other surgery is not very major but unfortunately requires a long rehab time. I have zero doubt that Rose will have the same athleticism as before (I had that doubt when he went down 2 years ago), however, the question is whether he will be able to be healthy.

 

He's got weak knees and, unfortunately, a style of play that puts an insane amount of force on the knees. You simply cannot have him as your main guy going forward.

Edited November 26, 201312 yr by Jenksismybitch

I understand that, but realistically if you have a Rose at 75% of what he was, Butler, Mirotic, Noah, that is a team that isn't going to get into the lottery and a team that isn't going to win a championship. The proper rebuild, if you are convinced Rose will not be the player he was is to dump everyone who is good, perhaps Rose himself.

You'd have to dump Rose if you plan on tanking for multiple top picks. However, I don't think that guarantees a successful rebuild. They need to find a way to get young assets.

If I were in charge, I would offer Rose for a top 5 pick in this draft. In a heartbeat.

I don't know if another team would make that offer (not at this point). Not with the money involved.

He's got weak knees and, unfortunately, a style of play that puts an insane amount of force on the knees. You simply cannot have him as your main guy going forward.

 

Agreed 100%

They're not "screwed," but the immediate window is closed. You still have Mirotic. You still have the Bobcats pick. And you can still tank and try to get a top 7-8 guy in this years loaded class.

OMG AN ALMOST COMPLETE UNKNOWN AND A COMPLETE UNKNOWN. BULLS ARE SET!

Man this is terrible. I am so down right now. Trying to think of comparably terrible things to happen to a franchise, this is up there.

 

Bulls have to try and get a part of this draft this year. Let us hope for a Tim Duncan situation. There is no point for the franchise to try and win just because. There is finally some big man depth this year, you have to try to get cheaper talent.

And here's officer zoom shooting down another proposal. Monta Ellis? He sucks. He just hogs the ball and can't shoot. Michael Beasley? hahahaha. What a moron. He can't play. He smokes pot. Aldridge? hahaha. He shoots too many jumpers. He doesn't rebound enough. Lamb? Yeah, he's only 21 and played 12 games this year, but no. He's not efficient enough. I swear you secretly work for the bulls. How else could you be so bland and boring?

 

Monta has started well. I'll pay more attention to the last 5 years than the last 12 games. He's also a much better fit with Dirk and Calderon than Rose.

 

Beasley barely matters just like I said, everything he does comes in garbage time.

 

I don't know why you mention Aldridge, as Steve will attest I like him. He's just not a super-elite player.

 

I have more faith in Adams than Lamb. Even in college Lamb didn't really attack the rim. You have to be an insanely good shooter to matter if you don't do that, which Lamb isn't.

Edited November 26, 201312 yr by ZoomSlowik

Based on Thibs' comments, no chance they tank or even try to lose honorably. They will win 40-45 games, get a 4-5 seed and get a s***ty draft pick.

Based on Thibs' comments, no chance they tank or even try to lose honorably. They will win 40-45 games, get a 4-5 seed and get a s***ty draft pick.

 

It's not on thibs. The guy can't just purposely lose games. It's on the FO. They have to do the right thing. They do that, it won't matter what thibs says or does for this year. Unfortunately, this is the Bulls' front office. Yahoo will go 24 hours without a Kardashian article before the Bulls do something creative.

Edited November 26, 201312 yr by Jordan4life

Monta has started well. I'll pay more attention to the last 5 years than the last 12 games.

 

Beasley barely matters just like I said, everything he does comes in garbage time.

 

I don't know why you mention Aldridge, as Steve will attest I like him. He's just not a super-elite player.

 

I have more faith in Adams than Lamb. Even in college Lamb didn't really attack the rim. You have to be an insanely good shooter to matter if you don't do that, which Lamb isn't.

 

Was always a huge fan of Lamb's upside but he's one of those mental midget types, he's never going to be anything special.

It's not on thibs. The guy can't just purposely lose games. It's on the FO. They have to do the right thing. They do that, it won't matter what thibs says or does for this year. Unfortunately, this is the Bulls' front office. Yahoo will go 24 hours without a Kardashian article before the Bulls do something creative.

Yup, gotta protect Thibs from Thibs, we all know he will never tank on his own.

Edited November 26, 201312 yr by Rowand44

Yahoo will go 24 hours without a Kardashian article before the Bulls do something creative.

This is one of the best things I've read here in a long time.

It's not on thibs. The guy can't just purposely lose games. It's on the FO. They have to do the right thing. They do that, it won't matter what thibs says or does for this year. Unfortunately, this is the Bulls' front office. Yahoo will go 24 hours without a Kardashian article before the Bulls do something creative.

 

I agree it's ultimately on the FO to make moves, but Thibs can do his part by not playing/coaching like very game is his last.

I agree it's ultimately on the FO to make moves, but Thibs can do his part by not playing/coaching like very game is his last.

That's the thing though, he can't, it not in his nature.

That's the thing though, he can't, it not in his nature.

 

The heavy workload still irks me, not that that's the reason for the injuries. I just think that's what separates him from someone like Pop who does a great job of taking care of his players when necessary.

The heavy workload still irks me, not that that's the reason for the injuries. I just think that's what separates him from someone like Pop who does a great job of taking care of his players when necessary.

 

Duncan averaged between 38 and 40 minutes per game for the first 6 years of his career. 34 mpg and above for this first 10 years. Tack on an extra 3-5 minutes to those averages during the playoffs. And how many long postseason runs did he have? It's really a myth that Pop manages the minutes like some genius. The numbers went down as Duncan got older. No one on the Bulls IMO is old enough to complain about minutes.

days like this i just turn off sports radio. people calling in saying the Bulls should amnesty Rose. SMH, try and understand the process before you call in and say dumb things

The heavy workload still irks me, not that that's the reason for the injuries. I just think that's what separates him from someone like Pop who does a great job of taking care of his players when necessary.

 

Did anyone notice the completely reasonable workload this season? And we still lost our superstar, noah is still injured and Butler is injured.

 

Oh and great thing Bulls hired some trainer from california.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--former-n...-174706898.html

 

I hope this isn't DRose in a few years. Different players but the first two injuries on the list, strikingly similar.