How does it work with what is coming back? If what the Sox want is on the 40 man, wouldn't they have to clear waivers as well? I think the Sox will try to buy a prospect, but if that fails will just let him go.

 

Whatever players on the 40 man they wanted to trade would have to get by Houston. That's it.

I have a hard time believing they didn't know by July 31st what his plan was. I doubt he just up and decided to serve it without letting them know. His name has been attached to this all year, he and the Rangers had time to deliberate and form a plan.

Steve Stone couldn't have been more clear a couple days ago. He said that Cruz's taking the suspension caught the Rangers completely off guard and a number of people around baseball were saying so.

How does it work with what is coming back? If what the Sox want is on the 40 man, wouldn't they have to clear waivers as well? I think the Sox will try to buy a prospect, but if that fails will just let him go.

They would have to clear waivers or could be a PTBNL and slid through that way.

I would be livid, as you should be, if we just dumped him for salary relief. Everything the Sox have said and indicated through these moves are that we are "reloading" not "rebuilding." Rios has value, we might have to eat some salary to get a premium prospect, but it can be done. Dumping salary would be a cop out, especially after we didn't pay any of Peavy's outgoing contract.

No. They can always reallocate those funds during the offseason. Its not like they wouldn't get anything.

They would have to clear waivers or could be a PTBNL and slid through that way.

That's true, good point.

Whatever players on the 40 man they wanted to trade would have to get by Houston. That's it.

Hah, good point.

 

Although Houston will take anyone we would be interested in, presumably.

Whatever players on the 40 man they wanted to trade would have to get by Houston. That's it.

I'm going to assume the Astros would select any good prospect headed their way, so if it is someone on the 40, it will be a PTBNL. There are plenty of good prospects who aren't on the 40 man roster though.

No. They can always reallocate those funds during the offseason. Its not like they wouldn't get anything.

 

If they trust them to reallocate those funds in a better way then having Rios. Especially in this FA class, which is especially weak. Can't go much over slot in the draft and international signing nowadays, so not much room to spend there.

I'm going to assume the Astros would select any good prospect headed their way, so if it is someone on the 40, it will be a PTBNL. There are plenty of good prospects who aren't on the 40 man roster though.

No team is going to want to do a PTBNL with someone on their 40 man unless you hold a gun to the team's head. Guys who are already on the 40 man roster can be called up in September. The Sox aren't going to PTBNL for a guy and then have him contribute to another team's chances.

Just remember, the Rangers thought Cruz was going to appeal his suspension, so it's very possible they claimed Rios and are now much more desperate to get him than they were at the deadline (Sorry if someone posted this already)

 

If Hahn can get them to pay his entire contract and gets a legitimate prospect, then he's a big-time winner in this scenario.

Steve Stone couldn't have been more clear a couple days ago. He said that Cruz's taking the suspension caught the Rangers completely off guard and a number of people around baseball were saying so.

 

Crazy to me if that's the case.

I would be livid, as you should be, if we just dumped him for salary relief. Everything the Sox have said and indicated through these moves are that we are "reloading" not "rebuilding." Rios has value, we might have to eat some salary to get a premium prospect, but it can be done. Dumping salary would be a cop out, especially after we didn't pay any of Peavy's outgoing contract.

 

His slugging percentage is currently .427. I'd be happy to be rid of his salary.

I figure it probably has to be either BAL or TEX. Hope for TEX. But could be BAL blocking.

 

As Dick said. If the Rangers put a player on waivers and Houston does not claim them, the Sox do, and then they make the trade.

 

I believe a team has to pay $25,000 to claim a player as well.

 

Sox are not giving Rios away.

 

No team is going to want to do a PTBNL with someone on their 40 man unless you hold a gun to the team's head. Guys who are already on the 40 man roster can be called up in September. The Sox aren't going to PTBNL for a guy and then have him contribute to another team's chances.

IF they want Rios and that is the price, then they would. If they are making the deal and including a prospect from their 40 man, they are doing so because that is the price it will take to get Rios. Would they rather have Rios or that other guy on the 40?

 

It really isn't necessarily their option if that is indeed the price that Hahn thinks the Rangers need to pay for Rios.

 

Note: I don't know what that price is, but if thats what the Sox think it is, the other team has 3 options...1 call the bluff and take the contract; 2 accept the trade; 3 decline the trade and lose out on Rios (because the Sox aren't willing to give him up for nothing).

If Hahn can get them to pay his entire contract and gets a legitimate prospect, then he's a big-time winner in this scenario.

 

I say zero chance of both those things occuring. If we want to shed the entire salary we just let them have him for nothing. If we want any sort of legit prospect we will need to eat some salary.

I say zero chance of both those things occuring. If we want to shed the entire salary we just let them have him for nothing. If we want any sort of legit prospect we will need to eat some salary.

Then why move him? He can contribute next year and perhaps bring back a better return in talent either in the offseason or next year at the deadline.

 

It would make zero sense to move Rios for a pittance of a return, save $12 million on his deal, and then give 5/$90 to Choo or Ellsbury.

I would be livid, as you should be, if we just dumped him for salary relief. Everything the Sox have said and indicated through these moves are that we are "reloading" not "rebuilding." Rios has value, we might have to eat some salary to get a premium prospect, but it can be done. Dumping salary would be a cop out, especially after we didn't pay any of Peavy's outgoing contract.

 

There have been no indications that this is true.

 

 

Then why move him? He can contribute next year and perhaps bring back a better return in talent either in the offseason or next year at the deadline.

 

It would make zero sense to move Rios for a pittance of a return, save $12 million on his deal, and then give 5/$90 to Choo or Ellsbury.

 

I'm not saying we should give him away for nothing. I'm just saying thats there's no way that the team who claimed him will take on the entire contract and give us anything back better than marginal prospects.

Rangers have indeed claimed him.

 

‏@Evan_P_Grant

MLB Sources: Rangers did claim Alex Rios. But claiming him and acquiring him 2 very different things.

 

https://twitter.com/Evan_P_Grant/status/365558909831876611

Edited August 8, 201312 yr by Sockin

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/unkn...on-waivers.html

 

2:45pm: The Rangers are the team that claimed Rios, according to Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News (on Twitter). Grant cautions that claiming Rios and actually striking a deal to acquire the 32-year-old are very different things.

 

12:58pm: Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports that Alex Rios has been claimed on revocable waivers by an unknown team (Twitter link).

 

Because he is on revocable waivers, the White Sox have 48 hours to work out a trade with the claiming team or pull him back off waivers. Chicago could also let the claiming team have Rios for nothing and be content to dump his salary -- the very manner in which Chicago acquired Rios from the Blue Jays in 2009 -- but that seems unlikely given his .277/.328/.421 batting line. Rios is controlled through 2014 and owed $12.5MM next season with a $13.5MM club option, though each of those salaries will increase by $500K if he is traded.

 

It seems likely that an American League team was awarded the claim on Rios, as waiver priority at this point in the season is determined by league and record. All 15 AL teams would have the opportunity to claim Rios before an NL team. The Rangers and Pirates were both connected to Rios prior to the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline.

There have been no indications that this is true.

There are indications in that he wasn't moved at the deadline.

 

Oops, nvm, misinterpreted what you meant.

Edited August 8, 201312 yr by iamshack

Rangers have indeed claimed him.

 

‏@Evan_P_Grant

MLB Sources: Rangers did claim Alex Rios. But claiming him and acquiring him 2 very different things.

 

https://twitter.com/Evan_P_Grant/status/365558909831876611

 

Yes, claiming does not equal acquiring, but the Rangers have the most incentive to give the Sox something valuable in return for him.

 

Also, if Rios does move, can he claim to be "Mr. August"?

Whatever players on the 40 man they wanted to trade would have to get by Houston. That's it.

 

I keep forgetting that Houston is in the AL.