Cahill and Skaggs for Trumbo and his .299 OBP?

 

Holy s*** Kevin Towers is stupid.

I presume this is just a rumor?

I presume this is just a rumor?

 

It just says the Angels are targeting Skaggs & Cahill, it doesn't mean the DBacks will easily trade them straight up for Trumbo.

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Cahill and Skaggs for Trumbo and his .299 OBP?

 

Holy s*** Kevin Towers is stupid.

 

Its Cahill or Skaggs, and sounds like Skaggs is the guy.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing the Sox getting in the middle of the deal and sending Santiago to the Angels and Trumbo to the Dbacks and getting someone like Eaton or Davidson back.

Its Cahill or Skaggs, and sounds like Skaggs is the guy.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing the Sox getting in the middle of the deal and sending Santiago to the Angels and Trumbo to the Dbacks and getting someone like Eaton or Davidson back.

 

That's a great idea actually

I gave up 3 because I didn't care about the 2 of them and they kinda make sense for the Phillies. You'd seriously balk at a Brown trade because of De Aza?

 

Considering De Aza was a more valuable player than Dominic Brown last year, yes, I would balk at it because of De Aza. I'd also balk because of Jones and because of Santiago plus all those guys.

 

Like I said, I have no problem with Santiago for Brown, straight up. That's about perfect value.

That's a great idea actually

 

Ya I like that a lot

Here's a Sale trade I might think about:

 

Sox trade:

Sale

Quintana

Reed

 

Phils trade:

Hamels

Papelboner

 

DBacks trade:

EVERYONE GOOD

 

Sox get:

Hamels

Papelbon's s***ty contract

EVERYONE GOOD from AZ

 

Phils get:

Quintana

Reed

Tons of $$$$$ savings

 

AZ gets:

Sale

 

Sox swap Sale for Hamels, Reed for 'Boner, and use Q + $$$ savings to buy a new farm

Here's a Sale trade I might think about:

 

Sox trade:

Sale

Quintana

Reed

 

Phils trade:

Hamels

Papelboner

 

DBacks trade:

EVERYONE GOOD

 

Sox get:

Hamels

Papelbon's s***ty contract

EVERYONE GOOD from AZ

 

Phils get:

Quintana

Reed

Tons of $$$$$ savings

 

AZ gets:

Sale

 

Sox swap Sale for Hamels, Reed for 'Boner, and use Q + $$$ savings to buy a new farm

 

 

Thats not good. Sox have to add like $30M in payroll each season. Not sure who everyone good includes, but the payroll side of things alone makes it untenable.

Its Cahill or Skaggs, and sounds like Skaggs is the guy.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing the Sox getting in the middle of the deal and sending Santiago to the Angels and Trumbo to the Dbacks and getting someone like Eaton or Davidson back.

I really like this as well. Eaton or Davidson would be a perfect fit and a quality return for Santiago.

Here's a Sale trade I might think about:

 

Sox trade:

Sale

Quintana

Reed

 

Phils trade:

Hamels

Papelboner

 

DBacks trade:

EVERYONE GOOD

 

Sox get:

Hamels

Papelbon's s***ty contract

EVERYONE GOOD from AZ

 

Phils get:

Quintana

Reed

Tons of $$$$$ savings

 

AZ gets:

Sale

 

Sox swap Sale for Hamels, Reed for 'Boner, and use Q + $$$ savings to buy a new farm

How about Sale for everyone good from Az.

No need for Quintana and Reed for those 2 big contracts.

Considering De Aza was a more valuable player than Dominic Brown last year, yes, I would balk at it because of De Aza. I'd also balk because of Jones and because of Santiago plus all those guys.

 

Like I said, I have no problem with Santiago for Brown, straight up. That's about perfect value.

 

This is why I hate that WAR has become mainstream. Brown was better in every way offensively last year, but because De Aza was below average in CF he's the more "valuable" player. Makes a ton of sense.

This is why I hate that WAR has become mainstream. Brown was better in every way offensively last year, but because De Aza was below average in CF he's the more "valuable" player. Makes a ton of sense.

 

No, because De Aza was a below average to average defensive player in CF and Dominic Brown was one of the worst defenders in the league. That's why he was more valuable.

 

You can find left fielders all over. Hell, Gregor Blanco was a more valuable player. The fact is Dominic Brown hit 2/3 of his home runs in May and June, was mediocre otherwise, does not hit lefties well (.252/.296/.429/.724), and is a poor defensive player.

 

I have no problem if the Sox acquire him, but temper your expectations. Hector Santiago is an incredibly similar player - high on talent, 4 years of service time remaining, shown flashes of brilliance but has also struggled at times, both entering their age 26 seasons. It's frankly a perfect match on paper if Philadelphia is looking to add starting pitching. There's no need to handicap yourself and immediately include a great young reliever and a guy who, at the very least, can be a very valuable 4th outfielder for your club.

Acquiring Brown is akin to acquiring a young(er) Adam Dunn. He is bad against LHP now and will get worse, has a ton of left handed power, but no capacity to play any position other than DH at this time.

I think Brown has a lot of room to improve. He's far more athletic than Dunn and makes much better contact. Ultimately, I think he can be a CarGo lite, putting up like .300/.350/.550, which is still monstrous, but I think he'll be a liability against left handed pitching and, given the amount of experience he has, I have no idea how much he can actually improve in the field.

 

I have no problem if they deal Santiago for him, but then they need to find room for him, which means at DH or LF.

D Brown isn't the type of player I'd want on the Sox now, but a Santiago swap would seem even.

How about Sale for everyone good from Az.

No need for Quintana and Reed for those 2 big contracts.

Because EVERYONE GOOD is probably like 5-6 guys and if you don't pick up a Major League ace in there then you lose & lose hard, and when you make the playoffs and you don't have that #1 guy then what? You get Hamels and you still have a LH ace at the top of your rotation. Papelbon is a salary dump who is useful, Reed doesn't matter for the future since he's just a good but not great closer & few teams even want to pay closers into their 6th arb year anymore. Santiago & Danks are your 2nd & 3rd lefties, and you have a s***load of pitching to work into 2 spots, meaning you still end up with the pitching to contend. Salary is of no concern, lots of money coming off the books with Dunn next year, and even more with a Danks deal down the road. Would Phillies do it? Maybe not.

 

It's funny how flawed the general trade Sale thinking is around here. The idea is that you trade 1 elite player who happens to fill one of the hardest positions in baseball to fill (true ace LHSP) who also happens to be on one of the best contracts in baseball and in return you expect to get a whole s***load of prospects who will inevitably become awesome and then you're all happy and everything is great. Then we contend and win titles & we do everything in one fell swoop. But in reality those all become lesser players if they make it at all, and we still don't have our stopper, and when he's a FA we still can't afford to sign him. Yet I mention bringing in another ace to replace Sale in the same deal, which of course makes us a s*** ton better than we would be otherwise and which actually would help us contend, and yet no one would do it because Hamels is expensive & obviously all those AZ guys are going to be at least that good themselves.

 

The dream of selling your house for 250,000 1-dollar scratch-off tickets and then becoming a millionaire isn't a very likely scenario, but the baseball version of it gets talked about on message boards/discussion forums every single year, every single offseason, every single trade deadline. It's just dumb though, just like all those make money in real estate signs you see along the road, just like the Amway people & their little schemes, just like every fad diet/weight loss program, just the people who tell you all you have to do is exercise 4 mins a day to get into good shape, etc. it's all about this one single completely dumb idea that all you have to do is put forth one small effort here or there (like execute 1 trade) and suddenly everything's great. It's easy to believe in because it requires no skill or hard work, it's just schemes developed to profit off a whole bunch of lazy, unskilled suckers. But Rick Hahn isn't a sucker, nor is he lazy, and he learned under Kenny Williams so obviously he's seen this s*** before & he's not just going to dump Sale off for a bunch of lottery tickets and so on because he knows it doesn't work that way.

How about Sale for everyone good from Az.

No need for Quintana and Reed for those 2 big contracts.

Damn Green Sox, you received one hellified response to such a short and obviously funny comment you make here.

Its Cahill or Skaggs, and sounds like Skaggs is the guy.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing the Sox getting in the middle of the deal and sending Santiago to the Angels and Trumbo to the Dbacks and getting someone like Eaton or Davidson back.

 

BOOM goes the ISF DYNOMITE!

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The White Sox are planning to leave the Winter Meetings with a "significant upgrade at third base."

 

Another trade on the way?

Another trade on the way?

 

LOL. Not an insider.

Another trade on the way?

That s*** was taken straight off this board.

Another trade on the way?

 

LOL you just quoted one of my tweets. I took that from something bucket-of-suck said in the Viciedo trade thread.

LOL you just quoted one of my tweets. I took that from something bucket-of-suck said in the Viciedo trade thread.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!!

For serious thou - board ediqute is to keep stuff like that in house.

 

It's the right thing to do - as we don't want to go upsetting any insider sources.

 

Catch the drift?

LOL you just quoted one of my tweets. I took that from something bucket-of-suck said in the Viciedo trade thread.

It's been a long day. Work was tiring. I think I'll go to bed now...