Oh look Jon Morosi pushing another Chris Sale trade rumor article

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago...santiago-120813

Edited December 9, 201312 yr by Baron

Oh look Jon Morosi pushing another Chris Sale trade rumor article

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago...santiago-120813

 

Rosenthal:

Asked GM about Sale this morning. Said, "Think teams are pushing Chicago to consider." @jonmorosi said #WhiteSox will listen.

Rosenthal:

Asked GM about Sale this morning. Said, "Think teams are pushing Chicago to consider." @jonmorosi said #WhiteSox will listen.

 

If this were to happen, it would have to be a HAUL. I'm talking 6-8 players. Keep him Hahn or don't screw this up

And Reason #3487 why you don't trade Sale is that both Hahn with the Peavy & Rios deals and KW with the CLee/Pods deal, the 2nd Freddy deal, the McCarthy/Danks deal, etc. are GMs who will take a fair or much less than outstanding return in order to get the one player they really want. That thinking absolutely cannot apply to Sale. Sale trade is absolute rape & torture. Anything less would be uncivilized (and potentially catastrophic for the organization, sending us from a 1-2 year reload into a Cubbie-style "f*** it" rebuild).

 

Morosi can find something else to do other than pester Hahn with his bulls***. If Hahn wants a big return on a pitcher he can shop Q to the teams in on Price and see what he comes up with. Q isn't the same kind of pitcher but he's also going to be a s***load cheaper for a long period of time, and he's also very good and extendable.

Garfien:

When Rick Hahn arrives here at MLB Winter Meetings, it sounds like GMs will want to talk with him about Chris Sale.

Hahn wont be at the meeting until this afternoon apparently....I bet he cant wait to see the crowd of GMs waiting to ask him about Sale

If this were to happen, it would have to be a HAUL. I'm talking 6-8 players. Keep him Hahn or don't screw this up

And those guys would have to be loaded with ceiling and with very high floors, and at least half of them need to be on the 2014 Opening Day roster. And at least 2 have to already be very good & somewhat proven at the MLB level. It would have to be stupid. "Pushing Hahn to consider" isn't even close to getting stupid. If we start reading that GMs "are making hilariously one-sided proposals which are so beneficial to the Sox that Hahn is wondering if they are pulling his leg" then it means we're getting close to a Sale deal.

Merkin and Hayes have both just reaffirmed most of our stances on Sale. Said Hahn would be crazy not to listen, but would have to be bowled over with a stupid offer to deal him. I cannot post the tweets currently.

Oh, and to trade Sale, you need a return comparable to the Bedard/Sexson trades but probably more. There's no way you should make a deal for less.

Merkin and Hayes have both just reaffirmed most of our stances on Sale. Said Hahn would be crazy not to listen, but would have to be bowled over with a stupid offer to deal him. I cannot post the tweets currently.

Hahn would be crazy to listen though.

 

Hahn needs to find the SS who will anchor the infield on our next playoff team. Hahn needs to find our 3B of the future. Hahn needs to find our long-term CFer, he needs to fix the gaping hole that is the catching situation, he needs to add offense in the meantime to make Reinsdorf happy but not at the expense of the future. Hahn needs to balance the team, balance the payroll, improve the farm, and hopefully find a way to extract maximum value from a few smaller names like DeAza, Reed, Alexei, and maybe Beckham and Jones.

 

The last thing Hahn needs to do is spend the most productive few days of the offseason dicking around with a bunch of idiots who want to waste his time throwing out underwhelming packages just because they don't want to pay a premium for Price. Don't want to pay a premium for Price? Then GTFO you don't have the stones to even speak Sale's name. Hahn needs to set these b****es straight. He's here to get s*** done right now and his is the only team he cares about improving.

Oh, and to trade Sale, you need a return comparable to the Bedard/Sexson trades but probably more. There's no way you should make a deal for less.

Sexson = parts, quantity over quality.

 

Bedard was a great package for Bedard but an absolute joke of a deal for Sale.

 

The Haren deal, the deal of those like 8 guys Boston offered for Felix way back... that might get you to "listen" on Sale.

 

Think about this: you get someone to offer you a Prior or Wood or a Gavin Floyd type of prospect to headline a huge deal and there's a good chance you end up with a maddening overpaid starter who spends most his time on the DL or else some flakey headcase you ship out at a fraction of his value and watch him become a solid #3 for someone else - and that's actually if things go pretty well for you. When things don't go well you build your trade around a bunch of guys who get hurt and/or fall off and lose their stuff, and you get nothing at all.

Edited December 9, 201312 yr by The Ultimate Champion

Rosenthal:

Asked GM about Sale this morning. Said, "Think teams are pushing Chicago to consider." @jonmorosi said #WhiteSox will listen.

 

They always said they would listen.

Oh, and to trade Sale, you need a return comparable to the Bedard/Sexson trades but probably more. There's no way you should make a deal for less.

 

Unless a Trout or Stanton is involved, I am not really interested.

 

Hahn would be crazy to listen though.

 

Hahn needs to find the SS who will anchor the infield on our next playoff team. Hahn needs to find our 3B of the future. Hahn needs to find our long-term CFer, he needs to fix the gaping hole that is the catching situation, he needs to add offense in the meantime to make Reinsdorf happy but not at the expense of the future. Hahn needs to balance the team, balance the payroll, improve the farm, and hopefully find a way to extract maximum value from a few smaller names like DeAza, Reed, Alexei, and maybe Beckham and Jones.

 

The last thing Hahn needs to do is spend the most productive few days of the offseason dicking around with a bunch of idiots who want to waste his time throwing out underwhelming packages just because they don't want to pay a premium for Price. Don't want to pay a premium for Price? Then GTFO you don't have the stones to even speak Sale's name. Hahn needs to set these b****es straight. He's here to get s*** done right now and his is the only team he cares about improving.

 

I think teams would rather pay a premium for Sale, not Price. Price is under contract for two years, Sale for the next six.

Sexson = parts, quantity over quality.

 

Bedard was a great package for Bedard but an absolute joke of a deal for Sale.

 

The Haren deal, the deal of those like 8 guys Boston offered for Felix way back... that might get you to "listen" on Sale.

 

Think about this: you get someone to offer you a Prior or Wood or a Gavin Floyd type of prospect to headline a huge deal and there's a good chance you end up with a maddening overpaid starter who spends most his time on the DL or else some flakey headcase you ship out at a fraction of his value and watch him become a solid #3 for someone else - and that's actually if things go pretty well for you. When things don't go well you build your trade around a bunch of guys who get hurt and/or fall off and lose their stuff, and you get nothing at all.

 

Whatever. The point being you need a big package. You only trade him if you are getting an absolute overpay of epic proportions.

Whatever. The point being you need a big package. You only trade him if you are getting an absolute overpay of epic proportions.

You said you need a big package.

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 49s

Diamondbacks are among the teams with the most serious trade interest in Chris Sale -- IF they would agree to part with him. A big if.

 

Bradley, Owings, Davidson, Skaggs, Delgado anyone?

Even when the deals work out (they usually don't), the teams who trade their aces are doing that because they feel they are forced to. They know they can't/won't meet the FA pricetag and/or there's some injury concern. I think the injury concerns should be put to rest now with Sale & he should be viewed just as any other pitcher, i.e. sure it could happen, but an injury could happen to anyone. There should be no reason for the Sox to feel forced into trading Sale.

 

OTOH the FA pitching market is crazy. Danks may actually have some value. Santiago might be able to bring in an Avisail-like young player if we play our cards right. I don't want to deal Q, but I think it's a whole hell of a lot more likely that we could pull off a Garza-to-Cubs deal with Q than make any trade with Sale which we wouldn't regret in 2 years & use as the #1 reason for argument in all the "Fire Rick Hahn" threads that would soon begin to pop up.

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 49s

Diamondbacks are among the teams with the most serious trade interest in Chris Sale -- IF they would agree to part with him. A big if.

 

Bradley, Owings, Davidson, Skaggs, Delgado anyone?

They actually have prospects at positions that make the most sense, but this can't be what Hahn would consider to be a fair trade. He has to feel he won by a wide margin.

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 49s

Diamondbacks are among the teams with the most serious trade interest in Chris Sale -- IF they would agree to part with him. A big if.

 

Bradley, Owings, Davidson, Skaggs, Delgado anyone?

No, and I have zero faith in this organization to pull off a deal of this magnitude for prospects. As much as I love KW and while Hahn has grown on me, they aren't capable of doing this. We're the Rays.... Rays probably don't trade Sale just how they haven't traded Longoria, but sub out our FO with theirs and maybe you take back 8-10 guys. Not us. Kenny/Hahn will settle for a bunch of garbage. No way. We're not capable.

 

For f***s sake jesus people they're going to ask Buddy Bell for his opinion.

 

Bufddy f***ing Bell.

 

Jesus Christ let's put this to rest, Sale doesn't need to go anywhere but out to the mound on Opening Day wearing a Sox uniform.

They actually have prospects at positions that make the most sense, but this can't be what Hahn would consider to be a fair trade. He has to feel he won by a wide margin.

 

Not only Hahn, but Kenny Williams and Jerry Reinsdorf.

 

This is a nice diversion while they get actual moves done...hopefully.

They actually have prospects at positions that make the most sense, but this can't be what Hahn would consider to be a fair trade. He has to feel he won by a wide margin.

 

The Dbacks are one of the few teams I feel could meet a Sale asking price.

They actually have prospects at positions that make the most sense, but this can't be what Hahn would consider to be a fair trade. He has to feel he won by a wide margin.

 

I just threw some random names out there, but I think Arizona with Bradley and Seattle with Walker match up well.

Jesus Christ let's put this to rest, Sale doesn't need to go anywhere but out to the mound on Opening Day wearing a Sox uniform.

 

There will be no rest so long as there are rumors.

Not only Hahn, but Kenny Williams and Jerry Reinsdorf.

 

This is a nice diversion while they get actual moves done...hopefully.

 

Sign Uribe and trade for Jose Labaton