witesoxfan Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:15 AM) The Angels tried to land Santiago from the White Sox in talks for Howie Kendrick, tweets Bill Shaikin of the L.A. Times, but they're now focused on getting him as part of this three-team deal. Maybe we can get Kendrick as well?? Hmm /wrench-thrown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 From what I can see from reason a few scouting reports the past few minutes is the only thing holding people back on calling this guy a top prospect is his build and body. We see how that turned out for one Dustin Pedroia and his giant chip on his shoulder. I like this if Ricky pulls it off. With of without an add on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 I would love to figure out a way we can get both, Kendrick and Eaton! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:15 AM) The Angels tried to land Santiago from the White Sox in talks for Howie Kendrick, tweets Bill Shaikin of the L.A. Times, but they're now focused on getting him as part of this three-team deal. Maybe we can get Kendrick as well?? Hmm I've always thought that Kendrick would be attractive to the Sox, but not so sure now with the pipeline filled with 2B. But if this 3-way goes down, I wouldn't be surprised if it were more than Santiago going out and Eaton coming in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 You almost have to get rid of Beckham at that point, and the only team I've ever seen show interest in Beckham is Toronto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:17 AM) From what I can see from reason a few scouting reports the past few minutes is the only thing holding people back on calling this guy a top prospect is his build and body. We see how that turned out for one Dustin Pedroia and his giant chip on his shoulder. I like this if Ricky pulls it off. With of without an add on. I agree. Santiago is serviceable, but to say his outings are workmanlike is being kind. His ceiling is a 4-5 starter and we've seen it. When he is spotting his fastball well, he gets lit up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:18 AM) I've always thought that Kendrick would be attractive to the Sox, but not so sure now with the pipeline filled with 2B. But if this 3-way goes down, I wouldn't be surprised if it were more than Santiago going out and Eaton coming in. Yeah I am sure Hahn and Williams are trying to get more out of it if they can.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 (edited) Granted they're just projections, but: Eaton's projected 2014 Steamer: .286 .357 .414 .771 112 wRC+ Oliver: .279 .353 .404 .757 108 wRC+ Edited December 10, 2013 by woods of ypres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Eaton didn't do anything well last year. In fact, UZR hated his defense when he only played 60 games. Last season certainly isn't encouraging, but if you told me we could get Eaton last year for Santiago, I would have been pretty happy about it. I think we should get more than Eaton for Santiago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:20 AM) Eaton didn't do anything well last year. In fact, UZR hated his defense when he only played 60 games. Last season certainly isn't encouraging, but if you told me we could get Eaton last year for Santiago, I would have been pretty happy about it. I think we should get more than Eaton for Santiago. I think he had a nagging injury last year didn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Howie: YR TM BA HR RBI 2013 LAA .297 13 54 2012 LAA .287 8 67 2011 LAA .285 18 63 2010 LAA .279 10 75 2009 LAA .291 10 61 2008 LAA .306 3 37 2007 LAA .322 5 39 2006 LAA .285 4 30 TOT 8 yrs .292 71 426 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 FWIW, UZR is not very helpful over a 60 game span. Borderline useless, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:20 AM) I think he had a nagging injury last year didn't he? He got hurt early in the year and he didn't look like the same guy from 2012 afterwards. Very discouraging IMO. Especially for a speed guy like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:21 AM) He got hurt early in the year and he didn't look like the same guy from 2012 afterwards. Very discouraging IMO. Especially for a speed guy like him. Then I defiantly think Hahn is trying to get more then, something from the Angels I assume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:20 AM) I think he had a nagging injury last year didn't he? Yea he avoided Tommy John though: It’s been a tough start to the 2013 season for Arizona Diamondbacks outfielder Adam Eaton. The highly touted young star was diagnosed with a small tear in the ulnar collateral ligament of his throwing elbow in March, shutting him down for nearly two months. He had recently began playing the outfield again during a rehab stint, but discomfort in the same elbow forced a shut down and suggestions of Tommy John surgery were being whispered. Thankfully though, an MRI conducted this morning revealed no structural damage, which avoids any significant setback. Still, it’s going to be a few more weeks at minimum for Eaton to return as Steve Gilbert says doctors suggest he go throw a multi-week throwing program: #Dbacks announce that Adam Eaton’s MRI did not show structural damage, just irritation. 2-3 weeks of strengthening then throwing program. Consider it a major bullet dodged for both Eaton and the Diamondbacks who were potentially facing a season ending injury and one that most likely would have lingered into next season as well. Eaton, who appeared in 22 games for the Diamondbacks last season, was expected to be their leadoff hitter prior to the injury. He ranked as the 73rd best prospect in the Major League’s prior to the 2013 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:21 AM) FWIW, UZR is not very helpful over a 60 game span. Borderline useless, really. When it's -11.2 in 66 games, it's pretty telling. DRS also disliked him at -5. It doesn't mean he's never going to be a good outfielder again, it's a red flag though. Edited December 10, 2013 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:21 AM) He got hurt early in the year and he didn't look like the same guy from 2012 afterwards. Very discouraging IMO. Especially for a speed guy like him. It was his throwing arm, don't think that should effect his speed at all.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Is there a catcher or 3B from these guys that we could be trying to get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:24 AM) Is there a catcher or 3B from these guys that we could be trying to get Matt davidson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapzk Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 It would be nice to get some more out of the deal, however I don't believe it would be from the Diamondbacks side of the deal as Skaggs and Eaton would be a steep price for just Trumbo, so maybe Angels give a decent prospect as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:23 AM) When it's -11.2 in 66 games, it's pretty telling. DRS also disliked him at -5. It doesn't mean he's never going to be a good outfielder again, it's a red flag though. He's played in 88 total MLB games in which half he was coming back from injury. I don't think it fair to judge him by stats alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 It depends on to what extent they shut him down. Still, I think some of that can be chalked up to rust. I want to see what he does next year. -11 UZR is bad, but that's a huge outfield and, as I said, if he were rusty and not getting good reads on balls for 2 months, it can affect your UZR a great deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 We have to do better than Eaton for Santiago. He isn't even a particularly good CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapzk Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 If they do potentially land Eaton, what do we do with De Aza, he should fetch something decent right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:25 AM) Matt davidson No way the Dbacks give up Davidson, Skaggs, AND Eaton for Trumbo. It's stupid enough to give up Skaggs and Eaton for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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