In Chicago, you can get I Bonded with multiple felonies. You think a millionaire will do time for some misdemeanors? Lay off the Top fellas.

When I did it nobody got hurt. When Bieber did it nobody got hurt. Where's the victim?

So if I go down to Daley Plaza and just start spinning around and shooting a gun aimlessly, I'm cool until someone actually gets hurt, in your opinion?

When I did it nobody got hurt. When Bieber did it nobody got hurt. Where's the victim?

 

I know this will bring a suspension, but who cares.

 

You're a f***ing idiot, Duke.

When you drive drunk, whether or not there is a victim is more a matter of luck and less a matter of the decision-making by the drunk driver. 80% or whatever of drunk drivers don't happen to have oncoming traffic at the moment they swerve into the other lane but the other 20% do. The problem with the "There is no victim" attitude is that we don't have harsh enough sentences when there aren't victims, thus there is little deterrent to driving drunk and thus we end up with lots of victims.

 

The sentences when there ARE victims are weak.

It's not as dangerous as people make it out to be. This teenage girl that weighs like 110 lbs was legally drunk and high on scripts managed to drag race a Lamborghini without incident. There's maybe 50 people in this country that are actually f***ed up at .10; much less .08.

 

It's all about control and the pockets of criminal defense lawyers who would be on SNAP if those laws went away.

 

Again, you're a complete buffoon.

So awesome.

So if I go down to Daley Plaza and just start spinning around and shooting a gun aimlessly, I'm cool until someone actually gets hurt, in your opinion?

Equating that to driving after drinking 3 beers (That's a DUI in our f***ed in the head country) is stupid.

who cares

j4l is a huge Biebs guy.

Equating that to driving after drinking 3 beers (That's a DUI in our f***ed in the head country) is stupid.

 

That depends on what state you live in. North Dakota has a .08 limit, and I have blown and tested out what I can legally do.

 

I can have 3 beers pretty easily and drive home, so long as I wait 2 hours to drive. If I shotgun 3 beers and drive immediately after that, I'm SOL. The most I will drink while still driving home is 5 beers, and I will make sure it's been - at a minimum - 4 hours prior to driving home. If I have a 6 pack, I'm getting a ride.

Equating that to driving after drinking 3 beers (That's a DUI in our f***ed in the head country) is stupid.

 

There are plenty of people that feel they are fine in any circumstance to drive, obviously you are among them. There are also many people that feel they are fine that plow into trees or other cars andhurt people. I'm sure a lot of those people rethink their definition if "fine"after the fact, but by then it is too late.

 

 

That depends on what state you live in. North Dakota has a .08 limit, and I have blown and tested out what I can legally do.

 

I can have 3 beers pretty easily and drive home, so long as I wait 2 hours to drive. If I shotgun 3 beers and drive immediately after that, I'm SOL. The most I will drink while still driving home is 5 beers, and I will make sure it's been - at a minimum - 4 hours prior to driving home. If I have a 6 pack, I'm getting a ride.

Im pretty sure those crazed MADD whores have coerced the federal govt into withholding highway funds from any state not at .08. I could be wrong.

 

Just an fyi- if you can just feel the effect of booze it doesn't mean you are impaired. Something nobody seems to point out when these loons lobby for (and get) these totalitarian nanny state laws passed

 

Im pretty sure those crazed MADD whores

Dignified and classy as usual.

these totalitarian nanny state laws passed

 

Punishing reckless endangerment of other people's lives = totalitarian nanny state?

 

Sounds like you're drunk right now.

Punishing reckless endangerment of other people's lives = totalitarian nanny state?

 

Sounds like you're drunk right now.

 

We are turning into a nanny society but that's a horrible example. Drunk driving laws are not harsh enough IMO

Man, I didn't think Justin Beiber would really get pushed into the buster....

Im pretty sure those crazed MADD whores have coerced the federal govt into withholding highway funds from any state not at .08. I could be wrong.

 

Just an fyi- if you can just feel the effect of booze it doesn't mean you are impaired. Something nobody seems to point out when these loons lobby for (and get) these totalitarian nanny state laws passed

 

Having driven through South Dakota probably a hundred times during the summers, I assure you this is simply not the case.

 

 

 

Also, I can feel the effect one beer has one me, but I'm not buzzed. Yes, it's cheesy, but buzzed driving is drunk driving.

We are turning into a nanny society but that's a horrible example. Drunk driving laws are not harsh enough IMO

 

It's probably been done, but I'd love to see per capita studies of DUI arrests for no tolerance states (1 drink = DUI) versus .08 states. I honestly wonder how much of an effect that has.

It's probably been done, but I'd love to see per capita studies of DUI arrests for no tolerance states (1 drink = DUI) versus .08 states. I honestly wonder how much of an effect that has.

Here's alcohol-related driving fatalities per vehicle miles, using 2008 data:

 

 

Could compare that to DUI laws by states circa 2008.

 

edit: Progressive Insurance lists the BAC limit as 0.08 in every state as of 2004.

 

http://www.progressive.com/vehicle-resourc...hol-calculator/

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Hey, it is MADD whores, not drunk driving deaths that are dictating laws

Here's alcohol-related driving fatalities per vehicle miles, using 2008 data:

 

 

Could compare that to DUI laws by states circa 2008.

 

edit: Progressive Insurance lists the BAC limit as 0.08 in every state as of 2004.

 

http://www.progressive.com/vehicle-resourc...hol-calculator/

 

Thanks, that's a good start. I know Minnesota is zero tolerance, and with the increased awareness for drunk driving, I think .08 BAC laws as of even 2008 are going to be extremely outdated. This is a bit how I expected it to turn out too.

Here's alcohol-related driving fatalities per vehicle miles, using 2008 data:

 

 

Could compare that to DUI laws by states circa 2008.

 

edit: Progressive Insurance lists the BAC limit as 0.08 in every state as of 2004.

 

http://www.progressive.com/vehicle-resourc...hol-calculator/

 

Also, even as a conservative, it's not surprising to see that red states have the higher death rates, likely due to more lenient drunk driving laws.

 

In North Dakota, rather than lowering the limit, they increased the fines. I don't believe there's been much of an effect other than the state of North Dakota increasing their budget due to DUI arrests.

Also, even as a conservative, it's not surprising to see that red states have the higher death rates, likely due to more lenient drunk driving laws.

 

In North Dakota, rather than lowering the limit, they increased the fines. I don't believe there's been much of an effect other than the state of North Dakota increasing their budget due to DUI arrests.

There's probably a pretty good correlation there between population density as well. Millions of people live in chicago, new york, LA, etc. and can easily take public transportation or a taxi or just walk a mile or so to the bar.

Having driven through South Dakota probably a hundred times during the summers, I assure you this is simply not the case.

 

 

 

Also, I can feel the effect one beer has one me, but I'm not buzzed. Yes, it's cheesy, but buzzed driving is drunk driving.

Oh no it is f***ing not. Drunk driving is drunk driving. Since when are people so gullible when it comes to this s***? You all drink, right? You know. Why is it not enough to just say "it's up to you if you had too much but if you kill someone it's your ass"?

There's probably a pretty good correlation there between population density as well. Millions of people live in chicago, new york, LA, etc. and can easily take public transportation or a taxi or just walk a mile or so to the bar.

Well, you'd have to struggle to get pulled over for a DUI in Chicago. Maybe wrong way down Lake Shore Dr in reverse with your left turn signal on would get them to at least breathalyze you.

Thanks, that's a good start. I know Minnesota is zero tolerance, and with the increased awareness for drunk driving, I think .08 BAC laws as of even 2008 are going to be extremely outdated. This is a bit how I expected it to turn out too.

some quick googling shows that MN is "zero tolerance" for people under 21 but 0.08 like just about everywhere else (at least at the state level, some cities might be more strict).

 

http://dui.drivinglaws.org/minnesota.php

 

You can go state-by-state here, for example ND is 0.00 under 21, 0.08 over 21, and 0.04 commercial driver