Buehrle>Wood Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 But didn't it only hurt them to get out of that contract? That makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 11:21 AM) But didn't it only hurt them to get out of that contract? That makes no sense. Why would it hurt them? They were going to have to potentially pay him while he was suspended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 His contract was for 5/$35, with $15 million guaranteed, signed prior to the 2012 season. So they are essentially paying him $15 million for 2 seasons, I believe. Not the end of the world, contractually, for them. Also questionable whether they would have paid much more than that anyway moving forward, as he wasn't exactly still on an upward trajectory from a performance perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 This is the NFL, contracts aren't fully guaranteed. If they wanted to release him for the contract, they would have done it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Its a lot harder to cut Ray Rice the beloved face of the Ravens franchise, than Ray Rice "abuser". I mean no one even is suggesting that maybe this was just a series of completely of bad events that led to Rice doing something completely out of character. No one is saying the guy doesnt deserve some punishment, but seriously people are portraying Rice as if he has been abusing her forever, with really no evidence to support that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 11:29 AM) Its a lot harder to cut Ray Rice the beloved face of the Ravens franchise, than Ray Rice "abuser". I mean no one even is suggesting that maybe this was just a series of completely of bad events that led to Rice doing something completely out of character. No one is saying the guy doesnt deserve some punishment, but seriously people are portraying Rice as if he has been abusing her forever, with really no evidence to support that. Total strawman. No one, except you, has said this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 11:31 AM) Total strawman. No one, except you, has said this. Krush keeps referring to him as an "abuser" thats the implication of the term, sorry. /shrug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Its a lot harder to cut Ray Rice the beloved face of the Ravens franchise, than Ray Rice "abuser". I mean no one even is suggesting that maybe this was just a series of completely of bad events that led to Rice doing something completely out of character. No one is saying the guy doesnt deserve some punishment, but seriously people are portraying Rice as if he has been abusing her forever, with really no evidence to support that. Yeah, I've been trying to find a way to say that without sounding too insensitive. While I think that domestic violence is really, really bad in any situation, I also think there's a difference between a guy who has otherwise been a model citizen and hit his wife one time while drunk and a guy who has a history of abusing women. Just the same as I think there's a difference between a one time DUI offender and a five time DUI offender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I have a hard time believing that this is the only time he's ever abused her, either emotionally or physically, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 09:38 AM) I have a hard time believing that this is the only time he's ever abused her, either emotionally or physically, though. Based on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 11:28 AM) This is the NFL, contracts aren't fully guaranteed. If they wanted to release him for the contract, they would have done it. Yep. They didn't want to release him because they took a giant cap hit by doing so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 11:33 AM) Krush keeps referring to him as an "abuser" thats the implication of the term, sorry. /shrug That's one hell of a stretch, I was describing the abuser, which is a person who did the abusing, and the victim. But, as was said before, it's quite certainly possible it's happened before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 11:38 AM) Based on? Based on him knocking her out. That reaction doesn't come from nowhere. I've been with my wife for over 10 years now, and I've never once laid my hand on her or even had the slightest urge to do so. edit: this is of course pure speculation! Edited September 9, 2014 by StrangeSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 The term abuser implies repeated action. a·bus·er someone who regularly or habitually abuses someone or something, in particular. Your words, not mine. Anyone who has any experience with domestic violence knows that the term "abuser" is reserved for those who have done it multiple times. Not someone who got into a single altercation. /shrug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 11:48 AM) The term abuser implies repeated action. a·bus·er someone who regularly or habitually abuses someone or something, in particular. Your words, not mine. Anyone who has any experience with domestic violence knows that the term "abuser" is reserved for those who have done it multiple times. Not someone who got into a single altercation. /shrug Abuser and the victim. Person who abused? Is that better? It was pretty clear what was meant when talking about interviewing the abuser and the victim in the same room. But thanks for the lawyer speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 09:48 AM) Based on him knocking her out. That reaction doesn't come from nowhere. I've been with my wife for over 10 years now, and I've never once laid my hand on her or even had the slightest urge to do so. edit: this is of course pure speculation! To me, it's more the dragging her out of the elevator that would make me skeptical, but I don't know anything about the guy. I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt that perhaps he just completely snapped. I dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 11:53 AM) Abuser and the victim. Person who abused? Is that better? It was pretty clear what was meant when talking about interviewing the abuser and the victim in the same room. But thanks for the lawyer speak. Sorry words have meaning. Once again, the "abuser" suggests repeated occurrence. If you wanted to appropriately talk about the situation Ray Rice would be the perpetrator and his wife would be the victim. Perpetrator does not imply repeated actions and the same point comes across. You almost never interview the perpetrator at the same time as the victim. But come on, youre smarter than this and actually knew the implications of your statements. I have no problem with people thinking he is an abuser, Im just saying as of today, there is very little hard evidence to support it. QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 11:54 AM) To me, it's more the dragging her out of the elevator that would make me skeptical, but I don't know anything about the guy. I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt that perhaps he just completely snapped. I dunno. Its impossible to know. Its merely speculation without some other evidence. I have no clue, but in my experience when someone is being "abused" usually other people had some sort of idea. Like her family/friends etc, generally come out and say things like "We thought something bad was going on". Its really really hard to completely cover up domestic abuse, there are a lot of signs. But who knows, she could possibly be keeping it locked way inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 11:33 AM) Krush keeps referring to him as an "abuser" thats the implication of the term, sorry. /shrug How many punches do you need exactly to be considered an "abuser" in your book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 12:03 PM) How many punches do you need exactly to be considered an "abuser" in your book? Until the definition changes it needs to be more than 1 event. someone who regularly or habitually abuses someone or something, in particular. The word "regularly" means that it has to be common, not just 1 isolated incident. Edited September 9, 2014 by Soxbadger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Really? The definition of the word abuser is key to this argument? Come on. (waiting for the next /shrugs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 11:48 AM) Based on him knocking her out. That reaction doesn't come from nowhere. I've been with my wife for over 10 years now, and I've never once laid my hand on her or even had the slightest urge to do so. edit: this is of course pure speculation! That actually is a fair assessment. Most people don't just start off at punching their significant other in the face as a means of conflict settlement. Abuse usually starts off at a much more subtle level and works its way up the scale over time. Today we have no idea, but it probably isn't the first time he has laid a hand on her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 12:04 PM) Until the definition changes it needs to be more than 1 event. The word "regularly" means that it has to be common, not just 1 isolated incident. What a waste of time this was. /shrugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 11:58 AM) Sorry words have meaning. Once again, the "abuser" suggests repeated occurrence. If you wanted to appropriately talk about the situation Ray Rice would be the perpetrator and his wife would be the victim. Perpetrator does not imply repeated actions and the same point comes across. You almost never interview the perpetrator at the same time as the victim. But come on, youre smarter than this and actually knew the implications of your statements. I have no problem with people thinking he is an abuser, Im just saying as of today, there is very little hard evidence to support it. No, you just read too much into it. Abuser can mean exactly what I said it meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 12:06 PM) Really? The definition of the word abuser is key to this argument? Come on. (waiting for the next /shrugs) I'm pretty sure there's something like a Godwin's law for argument via dictionary definition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 EA Sports going to remove him from their games. I think the way everyone is stumbling over each other to point their finger is as pathetic as the initial 2 game suspension that was "adequate" until some visuals were added into the mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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